1984 Fleer Update Clemens potential?

frankhardy

Has the 1984 Fleer Update Clemens reached it's peak? I would love to have the card. What else does he have to prove on the field? I figure it may have reached its peak. Thoughts?

Axtell

<< <i>Has the 1984 Fleer Update Clemens reached it's peak? I would love to have the card. What else does he have to prove on the field? I figure it may have reached its peak. Thoughts? >>



I think it will continue to climb. Unlike nearly all modern stuff, this set is pretty limited in scope. Add in the fact that more and more people are going to want this card, and the number of new cards entering the market will be limited (unlike say, his 85 cards which have countless millions of unopened packs out there).

MajorDanby

i dont think it has reached its peak...or at least it's at its peak and will stay there for some time. His retirement will likely keep the card up. I think you'll have to wait until the retirement dies over and he's on the waitlist for the hall of fame to see the card go down.

Brian48

I personally think it's peaked for all instances except the graded, high-end specimens. Those will continue to go up, but those in NM will probably stagnate. Unless it's a PSA 10 or BGS 9.5, I haven't seen much movement on this card for a while.

67standup

It's peaked, stick a fork in it, cause it's done.

Upside is usually reserved for something yet to come, e.g., an all-time record. Think McGwire. Rocket isn't gonna get the K or Win record, and additional MVPs/World Series won't be major news.

...on a different note, Topps made some 792 ct. glossy sets in '84 and/or '85, are those worth anything? How about '84 Nestle's?

Brian48

I like the '91 Desert Shields.

ctsoxfan

I see his cards (well, his RC's anyway) taking a similar path to Nolan Ryan cards in the future. People will always want them, and the 1984 Update Clemens will always be considered his premier rookie issue. Upside is a tough thing to predict on these modern issues, but I doubt you would go wrong with a PSA 9 of this card today.

67standup

Anyone know a large ballpark figure of how many cards of each player were produced after 1972? Is it 50,000, 100,000, 1 million, more, less?

TheCARDKid

In NM-MT or lower, there's probably not much potential left. Clemens has reached the status of Nolan Ryan in the early 90's. There's nothing that he can do that hasn't already been factored in. Ryan's rookie has been flat for 15 years in NM-MT.

67standup, it's probably safe to assume that at least a million cards a piece were produced in the late 80's (at least by Topps). That's been the consensus for awhile. If that's the case, then the '84 FU set is probably numbered in the tens of thousands.

jrdolan

I was selling a 1984FU Clemens PSA 9 last week and a bidder was trying to get me to end early for $250, saying Rocket had peaked, no milestones left to achieve, on his way down, stick a fork in him, etc. I let the auction run to the end: $415.

This is the top card of the decade and has the advantage of not being produced in astronomical quantities like most other rookie cards of the 1980s. It will cool off, no doubt, but perhaps not until Roger retires or loses his stuff.

On another note, is it true that this card is very hard to find perfectly centered? All the PSA 9's I have seen, including mine, looked like 60/40. I also have a PSA 10 and even that is slightly off, maybe 52/48.

Brian48

The '84 Fleers in general are very hard to find perfectly centered. As far as the Clemens U-27, one finally turned up with a 50/50 top/bottom and left/right after all these years.

BGS 10 - 1984 Fleer R.Clemens $5,200.00 starting bid!

Well, it's as close to 50/50 as I've ever seen, which is a requirement for BGS 10 I think.

VintageJeff

It is far from a requirement for a BGS 10 see the BGS 10 1986 Topps Tiffany Barry Bonds that ended a couple days ago.

Brian48

Yeah, I just doublechecked their grading standards. For a BGS 10, centering has to be 55/45 for both top/bottom and left/right on the front.

frankhardy

Any guesses as to how high the BGS 10 will go? It's a 10 day listing with 9 days left and it has jumped from $.01 to $8100.00 already. I must be honest, I would have never have guessed $8100 from the start. But, now that it is this high, I will say it will end right around $10 grand.

joeyuk

I included the Clemens card in my first psa submission. I went a bit crazy and submitted 42 cards.