1985 Donruss Rack Case Break! SCANS

zef204

My case came today and it was in great shape. I was a little suprised that all 72 racks were loose in the case and it was not a 3 box case. No difference however. I opened the box and there was a rack with Puckett sitting on the top. Sweet, but o/c t/b 75/25. I then started busting and didn't stop until about five minutes ago. On the fifth or sixth rack I got my first Clemens!



Natrually I was happy it was early in the break and already got a clemens, but as you can see the centering is not so hot. I had CDsNuts words ringing through my head and stopped for a minute and was going to sell off the rest of the packs. And then I said screw it!


I kept ripping and ripping and got lots of nice cards but no more Clemens. I was getting mad, worried, nauseous, and angry with about 20/72 racks to go I only got 1 Clemens.

I then hit the jackpot!!!

2 of the next 3 packs had Clemens and the first was centered nice



and then the second was centered better!



2 packs to go and I got another, although not so hot of cenetering




I will post some more later, I got several gradable Ryans, Roses and Orels!

SoFLPhillyFan

So what do you think so far?

Is it worth the $500?

WinPitcher

The fun and excitement was worth the 5 bills. Any good cards you get is a bonus.

I think you did well.

sd

Stone193

<< <i>The fun and excitement was worth the 5 bills. Any good cards you get is a bonus.

I think you did well.

sd >>


Zef
I'm with Steve - the intangible fun!

Congratulations on what looks like a couple of really nice Clemens!
If you get them graded...please post the results.

mike

ctsoxfan

Seems worth it to me - that's a lot of ripping for $500! I always look at the stuff like this that I buy as entertainment - you can't expect to make any money at it, but every now and then you might add a nice card to your collection. Good luck on the grading!

softparade

I love these kind of threads !!

zef, for the same 500 bucks I get a wax box of 78's. Good for you and hope you hit a couple 9's with those Clemens.
So much fun right ? !

TheCARDKid

These threads are great.

How did the Pucketts turn out?

zef204

So much fun! I was worried when I had one Clemens with 20 packs to go, but it came out well.

As far as all 72 packs coming in one case, I have learned that's how Donruss did it in 85...they had no rack boxes just a rack case.


softparade, to tell you the truth, I think I would rather have done a 78 wax box...at least then you can marvel the commons that look sweet even if the stars don't pop up. I actually pulled one card out that is not a star, but it was the card that was glowing! It was screaming to me "I AM GEM MINT! PULL ME OUT!" A Ron Guidry, not a bad pitcher(actually an awesome pitcher but not a star card). But I saw this card and my knees shook. It looked perfect!





As far as the Puckett's: I pulled 4 and they were all o/c t/b.






But the Ryans I pulled are to die for! All four of them are almost 50/50(maybe 60/40 t/b but don't tell anyone)






And I know that Orel was highly touted and actually had a great career, but not the HOF career many were thinking. I got 6 of his rc's and here are 4 that are pretty sweet too!




All in all it was really fun! I also have 3 Boggs, 5 Gwynns, 5 Carews, 5 Bretts, 3 Rickey's, 10 Rose's(he had 2 cards), 3 Schmidts, 3 Molitors, and 1 Gary Carter that are grading worthy.


I had drinks wth a buddy tonight which is why I didn't post all of this earlier. I(like the 12 year old that I can be) told him about my purchase which he did not understand. He asked me, "Couldn't you have gotten the case cheaper from somewhere else?"

I told him that I probably could have. Followed by, "But if you truely want the best, you gotta buy from the best."

I could not be more pleased with the condition of this case or the communication and quality of the transaction. BBCE is the best and this was only my 2nd purchase from them. I am sure that there are others out ther you can trust, but I can attest that Steve Hart is on that SAFE list.

softparade

zef, that Guidry is SWEET! Keep the scans coming .... nice Ryans too! fun fun fun

julen23

zef,

thanks for sharing, sounds like you had a real big time.

julen
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Collecting:
1980 Topps: Over 4,000 cards from vending and wax boxes awaiting a giant bonfire
1969 Topps: Master # 1 1
1987 Kraft Dinners Home Plate Heroes

mcastaldi

zef> If you like 85D, have you ever tried a box of 85 Leaf? I can assure you, the Leaf product is a real challenge.

Mike

CDsNuts

Congrats zef,
Looks like your experience with these was a lot better than mine. Maybe you got a few different print runs which would explain why the first and the fourth Clemens have the same bad centering, but the second and third have the same great centering. I bet your glad you didn't take my advice. The Guidry looks like a 10 also- I think that would generate interest from Yankee collectors. Nice pulls all around.

Lee

zef204

I just noticed that all 4 pitchers cards are mid-wind-up. I actually like that better than the head shot like Puckett.

zef204

OH YEAHHHHH!!!

VintageJeff

Very nice, early donruss cards are so unappreciated.

baseballfanatic

Congrats on the 10. Guess all the rest of the cards are just gravy now. Nice pull....

TheCARDKid

Nice! Looks like the rack advice paid off.

jmbkb4

Nice 10!! Incredibly tough card.

orion9578

Nice Zef, are those the only 2 you sent in out of all the cards you posted?

Boopotts

Please tell me it was 'clemens #3' that got the 10.

zef204

Yes, those were the only 2 I sent in for now. I mailed them off and got back from the post office and then found out of the monthly special INCLUDED star cards.

I was eager to get them off so I did th $12 -5 day



I believe it was the 3rd one that got the 10. I sent in the 2nd and 3rd scanned and the second had a slight rough edge on the lower right side.

packCollector

wow, 1 day on a 5 day sub! nice grades

jayhawke

If you decide to sell the 10 it should bring good money. I think a topps PSA 10 just sold on ebay.

zef204

The two clemens that I sent in just came back:




I sent in 26 others that arrived at PSA today. Hopefully there are a few more 10's in the bunch!

Stone193

Zef
The Roger is great! You planning on keeping the 10? I would!

mike

Downtown1974

SWEEEEEEEET!!!!!

zef204

Stone-

I am not sure. I want to see how the others grade and if I have a 9 in all the cards I sent in(as most were more than one of each card) I may just keep one of each of the 9's in a high grade set, and sell off the rest. I have never been that big of a fan of 10's in so much as I would be fine with a 9 at a 10th of the price. Or in this case, selling the 10, covering the cost of the case and still having a high grade set. Don't know though.

studentT206

Damn! Nice cards! I wish you would have sent in the others with the Clemens. Likely the grades would have been the same. Not saying they're are overgraded, those are sweeeeet cards, especially from racks! Just matters getting the right grader on the right day, not to have the cards undergraded. Sometimes the wrong graded on the wrong day can be a ball buster.

Damian

bjork73

Zef I'd be interested in a Gwynn 9, maybe a 10 if you get one and it's not too exorbitant

Stingray

Zep,

I agree, to what you say about 10s, to me they are like 1 of 1 cards, it is hard to place a real value on them and for me the price of common PSA 10s in 1975 are easily $150++. I can at least 10 PSA 9 commons for that price. That is not even getting into what star cards in PSA 10 go for. JMO.

Stingray

Ambro

Congrats on pulling some great cards. I am new to collecting PSA cards (recently bought my first one--1969 PSA 6 Joe Nammath) and was wondering if you can detect any difference between the 9 and the 10 Clemens cards?
Also why does PSA not assign a centering grade or numbers to each card rather than giving you the choice of "qualifers" or not.
When I first started looking for PSA cards to buy it confused me greatly why an obivious OC card was not marked as such.
I really enjoy reading this forum and have learned a lot about E-bay rippoffs,fakes and collecting terminoligy(SP-5).
Respectfully,
Tim

zef204

First of all, AMBRO ! Mid-post is usually not a great first post spot especiaslly if you ask a question. And in this instance, yes I can tell a diff between the 9 and 10. This 9 has a bit of fuzz, about a half inch, 2/3s the way down the right edge. A lot of times, the diff between a 9 and a 10 is negligable. As far as them not assigning subgrades, its just what they do. And from the looks of track record with the companies that do the subs, the top 2-3 IMO, do not break it down.

Now, for the reason of my post.

I have decided to list the PSA 10 Clemens and I usually do not spam, but I feel that it has been talked about and the break has had a bit of a following, so I thoughgt posting it would be well recieved. I will keep you posted on how the other grades turn out.

zef204

Just got more grades from the break...

64 12321172 1985 DONRUSS 273 ROGER CLEMENS N/A 8
65 12321173 1985 DONRUSS 581 OREL HERSHISER N/A 9
66 12321174 1985 DONRUSS 581 OREL HERSHISER N/A 8
66 12321175 1985 DONRUSS 581 OREL HERSHISER N/A 8
66 12321176 1985 DONRUSS 581 OREL HERSHISER N/A 8
67 12321177 1985 DONRUSS 438 KIRBY PUCKETT N/A 8
68 12321178 1985 DONRUSS 60 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
68 12321179 1985 DONRUSS 60 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
68 12321180 1985 DONRUSS 60 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
68 12321181 1985 DONRUSS 60 NOLAN RYAN N/A 9
69 12321182 1985 DONRUSS 63 TONY GWYNN N/A 9
69 12321183 1985 DONRUSS 63 TONY GWYNN N/A 9
69 12321184 1985 DONRUSS 63 TONY GWYNN N/A 9
69 12321185 1985 DONRUSS 63 TONY GWYNN N/A 9
70 12321186 1985 DONRUSS 172 WADE BOGGS N/A 9
71 12321187 1985 DONRUSS 641 PETE ROSE N/A 9
71 12321188 1985 DONRUSS 641 PETE ROSE N/A 9
71 12321189 1985 DONRUSS 641 PETE ROSE N/A 9
72 12321190 1985 DONRUSS 254 PETE ROSE N/A 10
72 12321191 1985 DONRUSS 254 PETE ROSE N/A 10
73 12321192 1985 DONRUSS 61 MIKE SCHMIDT N/A 9
73 12321193 1985 DONRUSS 61 MIKE SCHMIDT N/A 10
74 12321194 1985 DONRUSS 85 ROD CAREW N/A 9
74 12321195 1985 DONRUSS 85 ROD CAREW N/A 9
74 12321196 1985 DONRUSS 85 ROD CAREW N/A 9
75 12321197 1985 DONRUSS 359 PAUL MOLITOR N/A 10


I can't believe none of those Ryans got the nod. Pretty happy over all and thankful that the Clemens from my first sub got a 10.

studentT206

zeph,

Congrats! Nice grades on some tough cards! I going to send in some 85 D's I pulled from a factory set. Some scans posted in an earlier thread. I am worried about them not grading due to size though. Anyway, great break!

Damian

jayhawke

The 10's from this sub should help you get into the case a lot cheaper.

ldferg

studentt206,
i sent a few 85d in from a factory set. most all of them 9's. i'm assuming it's due to the factory set seals rounding the corners after further inspection.

good luck and congrats zef.

jrinck

Damn! Another '85 Donruss Schmidt PSA 10!

zef204

On a whim, I cracked out the PSA 9 Clemens and sent it off to Beckett. We will see if their standards have dropped as many presumed. I will let you know the results. It was card #2 in the first post:




The bottom right edge has a little fuzz which is its only detraction. Lets see what BGS thinks.

ldferg

i'm going to say BGS 8.

VintageJeff

<< <i>i'm going to say BGS 8. >>



Maybe a year or 2 ago that card doesn't come back less than a 9 and my money is on 9.5

jmbkb4

<< <i>

<< <i>i'm going to say BGS 8. >>



Maybe a year or 2 ago that card doesn't come back less than a 9 and my money is on 9.5 >>


PSA 10 Clemens --> $500-600
PSA 9 Clemens --> BGS 9.5 Clemens --> $900

for a little while longer.........

zef204

<< <i>PSA 10 Clemens --> $500-600 >>

Funny. Thats what I thought. Until 2 days into my 7 day auction and DSL undercuts me by listing a half hour earlier than me on a 5 day and takes the winning bidder of his card out of my bidding pool thereby lowering my final price. It pissed me off so I thought I would share.

Either way this one card nearly covered the case of the case so I can't complain. But I don't like being undercut by a big dealer and I will NEVER buy from him again.

ldferg...I hope you are wrong on the 8 guess. I am pretty sure that I will get a 9. This is the break down they will give me:

Centering: 9
Corners: 9.5
Edges: 8.5
Surface: 9.5

I think that unlike PSA they dock big for edges being fuzzy. I may get an 8 for edges and that would mean the highest I could get would be an 8.5 overall despite what the rest of the grades are.

SDavid

If you used the 45 day service level, be prepared for a long wait. They're not like psa - they'll ship them close to the last day of their guarantee.

zef204

Here are some scans of cards that I just got back from PSA.



Just proves even more to me that the difference between many 9's and 10's is absolutely negligable.

ldferg

keep us posted. i hope i'm wrong on the 8 as well.

and nice scans above.

tkd7

Nice cards and congratulations on the 10s.

It is funny seeing Pete Rose in an Expos uniform. I had forgotten he played there. I always associate him with Cincinnati or Philadelphia.

zef204

Got the BGS grade from the PSA 9 Clemens I busted. Disappointing. That was $20 and a PSA 9 Clemens down the drain.

envoy98

Bummer. Does a BGS 8.5 get about the same money as a PSA 9? Sucks you're into it for another $20, but it was probably worth the gamble.

zef204

I don't think so. 8.5's often get overlooked and sell for closer to 8's IMO. I had a Molitor 8.5 that sold for almos the same as a PSA 8.

I wanted to give it a try as everyone is certain here how lax Beckett has gotten on their grading. Yet the were tougher than PSA on this one example. I have never had good results from Beckett and I wonder if they favor their big submitters as most of mine have been under 20 cards. This also was my first sub to them in over 3 years and I have the same feelings about them. I am done with Beckett.

ldferg

zef, sorry about the luck on this one. i've had one bgs 9.5 out of all my subs (less than 30). all of them have been modern subs as well, nothing earlier than 95 (with the exception of an 87f jordan). i'm partial to psa for some reason, even on the modern stuff, but it does appear that 9.5's and 10s by bgs seem to command more than some of the modern 10s by psa.

julen23

how the hell is that ryan not a 10?

is there some slight damage to edges or his cap on too tightly?

Julen