1937 Swiss 20F gold?

kalch23

I currently put up on EBay two 1937 20F Swiss pieces expecting about $90 each for them. Somebody emailed me to ask me what the date was on the coin since they did not mint any 20f gold pieces in 1937. I checked and there isnt a record of any being minted in 1937 but however, the coins do read 1937! What do I have on my hands here?

MacCrimmon

No such animal for the regular issues.

They might possibly be patterns, but I doubt it. Do you have any images of the obverse and reverse?

kalch23

I will post images late tomorrow evening. Thanks

Cladiator

If you have a very accurate scale the weight of the coin should give some clues as well.

kalch23

Ok, I relisted the item with a scan as it was the only way I could show the boards pictures. http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=8319114980&rd=1&sspagename=STRK%3AMESE%3AIT&rd=1">20F 1937

kalch23

Try this link


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MacCrimmon

My judgement is that this is some type of counterfeit. The devices (leaves) are too close to the dentils (beads).

Also, the dating style is incorrect, i.e. straight across vs. a typical 'large 9', smaller '2' or '3'. See Eliasberg Swiss for specifics on die details.

kalch23

I appreciate the reply.

Who would conferfeit a 20F swiss coin 1) out of real gold and 2) using an incorrect date?

lordmarcovan

Strange.

kalch23

Should I send it to NGC or PCGS and see what they say?

MacCrimmon

I would send it to ANACS for this. At least they would analyze it the best if it isn't CF. Sorry, but I don't have any texts or auction cats which could point to a pattern or essai......I'll send an email across the pond tonight.

As to who would counterfeit a fantasy piece from real gold? Not to cast aspersions, but the Arabs and Chinese have good track records in this regard.