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Are the French '86 SOL pieforts really scarce?

cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭
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These are the 100F Statue of Liberty coins. They were made in various metals with the most
common silver version having a mintage of about 4 1/2 million. This is KM 960. There is a double
thick Piefort that looks unc and Krause lists a mintage of only 5,000.

Does anyone believe this mintage figure? I used to pick these up in trade for next to nothing
until it seemed that they are very common. Is this a fluke or what?
Tempus fugit.

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  • laurentyvanlaurentyvan Posts: 4,243 ✭✭✭
    Interesting question-I seem to see them frequently on E-Bay.

    The coin's subject matter almost guarantees a strong market in the US and maybe even a mintage of 4 1/2 million will get swallowed up...
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  • tbirde56tbirde56 Posts: 2,161
    Krause says $12.50 for the Piedfort version but there are several lots on Ebay for less than that each, two of those lots are for 10 and 20 pieces. I know of no way to verify whether the mintage numbers are correct or not but assume they came from official mint records.
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  • 1jester1jester Posts: 8,637 ✭✭✭
    I have a couple of those double thickness silver piedforts that I got from Civitas a while back. At $10 each, it would seem that they are quite common. But I hope the 5000 mintage figure is correct!

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  • jimmycjimmyc Posts: 63
    The SOL piedfort does seem far more common them any other produced by the French mint. Since the 88 and 89 piedforts in the same series had mintages of 20k and 10k, I'd guess that the 5k figure is too low.
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  • AethelredAethelred Posts: 9,288 ✭✭✭
    I sold one of the piedforts on eBay not long ago (to a forum member I believe), and it went for next to nothing. One would think that with a mintage of 5k it would be a coin that people would want to own, it is a cool looking coin after all, but I guess not.image
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  • GDJMSPGDJMSP Posts: 799 ✭


    << <i>These are the 100F Statue of Liberty coins. They were made in various metals with the most
    common silver version having a mintage of about 4 1/2 million. This is KM 960. There is a double
    thick Piefort that looks unc and Krause lists a mintage of only 5,000.

    Does anyone believe this mintage figure? I used to pick these up in trade for next to nothing
    until it seemed that they are very common. Is this a fluke or what? >>




    Here's what cgb has to say about them -

    " The exact figures for the production of commemorative coins have not yet been publicly announced, but we know that certain commemorative coins, struck in precious metals, exist in reality in less than 500 examples, even though their official (and only published ) production might be five or ten thousand examples. "
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  • spoonspoon Posts: 2,798 ✭✭✭


    << <i>" The exact figures for the production of commemorative coins have not yet been publicly announced, but we know that certain commemorative coins, struck in precious metals, exist in reality in less than 500 examples, even though their official (and only published ) production might be five or ten thousand examples. " >>

    Odd. Can we be sure they're referring to the standard piedfort and not platinum or palladium off-metal strikes?

    I was wondering if just the opposite might have been the case--that they were restruck?

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  • jimmycjimmyc Posts: 63
    Does anyone have a copy of a Gadoury volume containing piedfort mintages(assuming such a book exists)?
    researching the"distinctive paper" LS SS Fracs and even bonds" most notably from the Wilcox era 1869-80
  • GDJMSPGDJMSP Posts: 799 ✭
    You'd have to get one of the older editions. I have the 2003 and it only goes back to 1989 for them.
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  • GDJMSPGDJMSP Posts: 799 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i>" The exact figures for the production of commemorative coins have not yet been publicly announced, but we know that certain commemorative coins, struck in precious metals, exist in reality in less than 500 examples, even though their official (and only published ) production might be five or ten thousand examples. " >>

    Odd. Can we be sure they're referring to the standard piedfort and not platinum or palladium off-metal strikes?

    I was wondering if just the opposite might have been the case--that they were restruck? >>




    Dunno - but the coin is question is pictured right there with the statement - along with several others. Here's where I found it - LINK
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  • jimmycjimmyc Posts: 63
    Investigating the CGB site I found a mintage of 250,000! Also mintage of the 87 Lafayette was 100kBU+100k proof.
    linky
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  • SylvestiusSylvestius Posts: 1,584 ✭
    For a moment there i thought it was another French coin i've never heard of, an 86 sols... and a proof t'boot.
  • Steve27Steve27 Posts: 13,274 ✭✭✭
    Funny you should mention these, I just bought one (not Aethelred's) for $6.50 plus $2 shipping, it's nicer than the pics. Anyone know why they made them double thick?



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    I also wonder if the US mint borrowed the design for their platinum SOLs:
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  • cladkingcladking Posts: 28,701 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Investigating the CGB site I found a mintage of 250,000! Also mintage of the 87 Lafayette was 100kBU+100k proof.
    linky >>



    Thankyou. Thanks all.

    This does look much more plausible.
    Tempus fugit.
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