Yet another 1953 Mantle Fraud

thedpro · July 10, 2005 1:06PM

Is it just me being paranoid or does this look suspicious?

Original auction that just ended

Current auction

If you read the description, they are verbatim.

iamthegreatcornholio · July 10, 2005 1:09PM

That's pathetic... Not only did the SOB steal the scan, but he copied Mickey's description.

Edit to add: This is weird, the guy who won Mickey's is the high bidder on this card too? Is this guy buying his own card??

zef204 · July 10, 2005 1:10PM

Considering the auction ended tonight, and the new auction is offering a card with the same serial number I am almost certain it is a fraud

julen23 · July 10, 2005 1:11PM

That photo is being used twice, friggin #'s are identical.

Humans 0
Aliens from Outer space selling identical psa 7 mantle 1

Julen
______
Collecting:
1980 Topps: Over 4,000 cards from vending and wax boxes awaiting a giant bonfire
1969 Topps: Master # 1 1
1987 Kraft Dinners Home Plate Heroes

thedpro · July 10, 2005 1:16PM

It is odd that the same bidder is bidding on both of them. Could that be indicaton of a shill? The original seller has a monster rating, so I don't think he would take that risk, but hey, who knows these days.

jrdolan · July 10, 2005 1:41PM

The original seller, Mickey's Sportscards, would never ever shill an auction. Even if it was a less reputable seller, this is one card that needs no help. It consistently sells for $3500+ even when the centering is not that great (when is SMR gonna reflect that, anyway?)

That said, it is just bizarre that the winner of Mickey's auction would promptly bid on the scam auction, right after winning the exact same card with the same cert. number! Unless ... maybe the winner is trying to flip the card before he even has possession, and is moronically using the ID that bought the card to now shill it? That doesn't make any sense, either. He's not gonna sell it for more with a brand new ID than Mickey's did with their great reputation. If that's the plan, he's gonna take a big loss.

I agree that maybe aliens are involved.

NickM · July 10, 2005 3:33PM

Perhaps the winner of Mickey's auction is fully aware this is a scam auction, and is working on saving others from being ripped off - if he intends to win but not pay, stick the scam seller with the FVF, and then get the seller booted from ebay, he's doing a great public service.

Nick

cdchanger · July 10, 2005 7:50PM

The auction site could stop MUCH - certainly not all - of this stuff with just one "reasonable" rule change:

"If you do not attempt to buy/sell on your account for "X"-days, your account is closed."

This would kill off thousands of the sleeper cells that have been "banked" over the past years.
It would also prevent scamster-sellers from using that "member-since date," to instill confidence
in the obviously HUGE base of unsophisticated buyers that are making ebay and paypal richer.

Cher

baseballpa21 · July 10, 2005 10:01PM

Maybe we should email this guy and ask him for a scan of the back or the newspaper under the card. STUPID PEOPLE!!

jrdolan · July 10, 2005 10:05PM

<< <i>Perhaps the winner of Mickey's auction is fully aware this is a scam auction, and is working on saving others from being ripped off - if he intends to win but not pay, stick the scam seller with the FVF, and then get the seller booted from ebay, he's doing a great public service. >>

Nick, that makes more sense than anything I've been able to think of ... That, or perhaps the guy has a jones for '53T Mantles and he put a "tracking" bid on the scam one before realizing it was the same card he'd just won. Maybe he thinks this Mantle is greatly undervalued and is trying to stock up.

Whatever, whoever is running the scam is supremely stupid ... to steal the scan and identical words from an auction that just ended on a very high-profile card. Doesn't he get it that collectors shopping for a '53 Mantle would have SEEN the auction that just closed? I guess brains are not the hallmark of eBay scammers. They don't trust themselves to compose an intelligible line of text, so they just lift the description, word for word.

Or aliens are involved.

baseballpa21 · July 10, 2005 10:30PM

I emailed this guy for a scan of the back here is his answer.QUOTE:I can and send pics of it. I used that pic as an idea. But I can send pics but a recent newspaper.END OF QUOTE:

CAN SOMEONE EXPLAIN THIS TO ME I'M REALLY STUPID TODAY...........

baseballpa21 · July 10, 2005 10:31PM

corn:

you have may 1965 PSA 7 or better Pirates for sale?

jrdolan · July 10, 2005 10:41PM

I think he's offering to send you pics of a recent newspaper, but without the Mantle card.

baseballpa21 · July 11, 2005 1:53AM

jr;
I guess that would prove it isn't a fake!!! WOW!!!

baseballpa21 · July 11, 2005 1:55AM

What a suprise he ended the auction early!!!!Think we had anything to do with that???

julen23 · July 11, 2005 2:23AM

self-fulfilling prophecy in full effect...

Julen
______
Collecting:
1980 Topps: Over 4,000 cards from vending and wax boxes awaiting a giant bonfire
1969 Topps: Master # 1 1
1987 Kraft Dinners Home Plate Heroes

nightcrawler729 · July 11, 2005 6:45AM

rkwk112997 is very shady. he used to use the id alans1727 along with his own id for shilling but he was NARUed for a while (alans1727 was permanently NARUed)

I remember reporting these to eBay - i had bid once upon a time on an auction he had up and kept getting outbid by alans1727 and did some investigating - alans1727 would win these auctions, get feedback, and then rkwk112997 would turn around and re-sell them a few days later...

Here's an example :

1953 Bartirome PSA 7 Sold by rkwk112997 Bought by alans1727 on May 13

Identical 1953 Bartirome PSA 7 put up for sale 2 days later after feedback was left by rkwk112997

Yet another 1953 Mantle Fraud

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