Does this surprise anyone at all?
downgoesfrazier
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The King of the 80's
The last one topped $900 bucks as well. It was only six weeks ago, I believe. I wanted to add an already graded awesome copy to my set in a 10 holder, but have since changed my mind for obvious reasons. I have a clean mint example with the slightest tilt (<2%) and it will have to hold it's place for now.
The thing is, with 80's donruss cards generally, the stock is pretty crisp. The images are generally what they are with little difference across the board. If it's centered and unhandled (again GENERALLY speaking) you've got a mint card. For me, these two auctions going into this price range by multiple bidders is surprising.
Am I wrong to think that's a $200-$250 card a year from now? What do you think?
dgf
The last one topped $900 bucks as well. It was only six weeks ago, I believe. I wanted to add an already graded awesome copy to my set in a 10 holder, but have since changed my mind for obvious reasons. I have a clean mint example with the slightest tilt (<2%) and it will have to hold it's place for now.
The thing is, with 80's donruss cards generally, the stock is pretty crisp. The images are generally what they are with little difference across the board. If it's centered and unhandled (again GENERALLY speaking) you've got a mint card. For me, these two auctions going into this price range by multiple bidders is surprising.
Am I wrong to think that's a $200-$250 card a year from now? What do you think?
dgf
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mattingly cards are strong, and of all those 80's donruss yrs 84's are not as plentiful as say 88 etc. 84's have that white border and centering can be an issue. In 10, since that is the so called strongest rookie, I think that it will always be a 300.00 dollar card at the least. I remm them selling f0r 50.00 in 87 I think maybe a lil earlier.
steve D
<< <i>Am I wrong to think that's a $200-$250 card a year from now? What do you think? >>
You might still be a bit high, but you're in the ballpark. Amazing to see that card sell for more than $900 (!), and I can't see the long term stability for that price. This card was the key RC of its year, but so was the 1986 Donruss Canseco. Of course, Mattingly has more fans than Jose because he played on the Yankees, and had a great approach to the game that fans loved - but, he's not a Hall Of Famer, and as time passes, that may cause his star to fade a bit. Not to mention, there are still umpteen thousands of examples of this card to be graded - scarce card or not.
<< <i>- but, he's not a Hall Of Famer, and as time passes, that may cause his star to fade a bit. Not to mention, there are still umpteen thousands of examples of this card to be graded - scarce card or not. >>
I agree, very doubtful that this card could hold on to those lofty vintage like prices but Mattingly will always be collected vigorously. Time will tell how many PSA 10 caliber cards are out there ....
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Hey, Rocket played for both teams (and everybody else, too) so even some NY fans might support his card for king status.
Then again, so is the 1989 UD Griffey Jr., and love him or hate him, either the 1986 Topps Tiffany Bonds, or his 1987 Fleer RC. The Mattingly card might make the 1980's RC top ten - if there was such a thing.
I agree with ctsox, except for the 87 fleer Bonds...I also like that the set is referred to as "FU". I think the 84 donruss mattingly is a nice card, but I think there is a ton of unopened and raw out there, coupled with mattingly never turned out to be the player he was hoped to be and I think $800 is high for that card.
So downgoesfrazier, it does suprise.
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1. Ebay newbie who is overzealous and REALLY wants that card and he keeps re-thinking his top-all and is unaware of "sniper" software.
2. A shill. The seller just wants to see the market and has no REAL intentions of selling it.
3. The bidder, unaware of "sniping" or untrusting of it's timliness, may not have access to a computer regularily so he added higher dollar amounts.
4. Baiting. Sometimes bidders put two or three bids up--like his--that are only 5-10 bucks apart. Then when someone tries to push him they accidentally win the card...big woops! Happens infrequently, but happens nonetheless. Sad.
<< <i>The Mattingly card might make the 1980's RC top ten - if there was such a thing. >>
My Top 10 (off the top of my head). Based not on current value, but impact and desireability at the time of issue.
1. 1984 Donruss Don Mattingly
2. 1989 Upper Deck Ken Griffey
3. 1985 Topps Dwight Gooden
4. 1985 Topps Roger Clemens
5. 1986 Donruss Jose Canseco
6. 1985 Donruss Eric Davis
7. 1982 Topps Cal Ripken
8. 1983 Topps Wade Boggs
9. 1981 Topps Fernando Valenzuela
10. 1984 Donruss Darryl Strawberry
1983 Topps Gwynn, 1983 Topps Sandberg, 1981 Topps Raines, 1981 Charboneau, 1983 Topps Sandberg, 1985 Saberhagen are honorable mentions.
The "traded" issues were more perripheral and, I felt, viewed as more advanced or obscure. Certainly in today's climate we recognize the importance of those and pay accordingly. Bonds was less collected than Ruben Sierra in most circles at the time of issue. And lastly--and perhaps sadly, the following guys were bought up quite a bit in the mid-late 80's as well...
Pete Incaviglia
Dan Pasqua
Mike Pagliarulo
Corey Snyder (Cory?)
Jim Abbott
Steve Avery
Danny Tartabull
Kal Daniels
Kent Hrbek
Steve Sax
...to name only a few.
Don't forget 84 D Joe Carter.
I missed seeing the Topps 1985 McGwire on that list - I recall there being a demand for that card even back then.
But in terms of importance, popularity and desirablility, I stand by Rocket's '84 issue as the key card of the 1980s, if I had to choose one.
Yes the card was incredibly important in the 80s. But why someone would drop nearly a grand on this card really surprises me.
As someone else stated, there is tons and tons and tons of this stuff sitting unopened.
Yeah, that's why I put Henderson into a different class. The 85 McGwire does deserve to be there--I forgot him. The 84Donruss Joe Carter was never desireable at the time of issue other than a "rated rookie". He didn't really generate much interest untl 3-4 years after the fact.
The Sandberg from '83 should actually be bumped up the list but I'm biased against it. I'm from Chicago and tend to think his cards were only important to us. Perhaps he was bigger nationally than I give him credit for. Perhaps not?
<< <i>But in terms of importance, popularity and desirablility the '84 Clemens... >>
Currently, I would agree. The list I made was, as I stated, appropriate back in the day. The '84 Clemens is a key card from the decade for sure. It continues to hold it's value and I would guess will still be sought after many years down the road. I'm not too sure about Danny Pasqua.
DGF,
I would definately add the 83 Sandberg to that list.While it was not a really hot card in 83,it did become one of the hottest cards out there in 87 or 88
Vic
<< <i>Currently, I would agree. The list I made was, as I stated, appropriate back in the day. The '84 Clemens is a key card from the decade for sure. It continues to hold it's value and I would guess will still be sought after many years down the road. I'm not too sure about Danny Pasqua. >>
This card is the single most desirable, collectible, and expensive card from the decade. He's one of the top 3 pitchers of all time, and the set is still tough to find in high grade.
If you seriously are talking TIME OF ISSUE, the McGwire does not deserve to be in there. I think 1986 Topps Vince Coleman could be in there if it is a time of issue as his rookie season was so awesome.
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I hear ya. I am the BIGGEST Coleman collector on the planet. I love his cards...however, he was never sought after. McGwire's card was speculated on before he went nuts in 1987...then it was on fire. Vinnies never caught fire. He was like, Tim Raines light. Let's say, for arguments sake the list refletcs the impact the player made immediately when he played every day. That would be the most sensible way to do it.
dgf
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Maybe not. But with so many Yankee fans beginning to appreciate the rich history and tradition of the Florida Marlins, I would think a fistful of Cabrera RC's would be a better bet.
The '87 and '85 Topps McGwires have to make that list. Remember when he was having that breakout year, and every dealer from coast to coast was putting ads in SCD just begging people to sell them the '87 Topps for $3-$5 a pop, condition be damned? When thing really got crazy- and as I recall it was in May of '87 or so when the whole baseball card thing really acheived lift off-- that McGwire card was the one to have.
Funny story. I know a guy who bought 12,000 of the '87 Topps for 16 cents a piece in Jan. of '87, and made an absolute killing flipping them 5 months later. He sold them all to a guy out East. Wonder where they are now...
<< <i> Wonder where they are now... >>
Here's some of them - I bought an 800 ct. lot back in the early 90s for like 29 cents per - didn't think anything of them till someone asked a question about the number on the back and how it looks.
The question had to do with the fact that the 3 is not complete - I doubt if any will show up with a complete 3.
mike
The $809 Mattingly currently for sale is short-bordered on top and is NOT PERFECT - way over priced IMO. Submit that card again and I wouldn't be surprised if it 9'ed. Agreed that the 84D Mattingly has it's place in card history, but with tons of raw still out there, I can't and won't pull the trigger.
With Mattingly at 1% psa 10's vs total submitted and the other typical star/superstar/rookie cards of the set averaging 10% or higher in psa 10 vs total submitted, there's probably several-to-many 'real potential' psa 10's in 9 holders.
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