If it truly is this good............

Carew29 · July 5, 2005 11:18AM

why not get 100% SMR....... I'm thinking it may have come back as trimmed

WinPitcher · July 5, 2005 11:23AM

I just love guys that tout a card using the SMR as a guide when the card aint graded.

The smr is for psa graded cards.

had the guy used beckett or a price guide I have no problem. just another nomar wannabe in my book. and the disclaimer run around...

ONE THING IS FOR SURE, THE CARDS WE HAVE UP RIGHT NOW ARE FAR BETTER COLLECTION PIECES-WHETHER GRADEABLE OR NOT. TO PAY MORE FOR A WEAKER LOOKING CARD IN A PSA SLEEVE OVER A MINT RAW CARD IS IN OUR OPINION, ABSURD. BUT YOUR THE BIDDER- YOU DECIDE!

Why did he not get it graded?

And the PSA SPAM in the title......
PSA 1967 TOPPS #569 ROD CAREW ROOKIE MINT!

cdchanger · July 5, 2005 11:35AM

.........ONE THING IS FOR SURE, THE CARDS WE HAVE UP RIGHT NOW ARE FAR BETTER COLLECTION PIECES-WHETHER GRADEABLE OR NOT. .....

The ONLY reason for that disclaimer is that HE KNOWS the card will be rejected AGAIN if it is resubmitted.
The ONLY reason that a dealer offers an expensive card without having it graded, is because HE KNOWS "the truth."

I bought one cheap card raw on ebay, even it was junk. I would NEVER buy another raw card on ebay, UNLESS the
seller guaranteed that PSA would slab it at the grade advertised.

Cher

iamthegreatcornholio · July 5, 2005 11:41AM

I saw his raw '65s and immediately reported his auctions for key word spamming, ebay has yet to act, but it was a holiday weekend. He quotes PSA 9 MINT SMR's for his raw cards....smells like horseshi....

Carew29 · July 5, 2005 12:15PM

My favorite part was he was selling at 25% SMR and for that you could buy a lousy PSA 6. Well i would sure feel a hell of alot better buying a PSA 6 than his card to get back 5 days from now from PSA with the dreaded " evid of trim" on my card sleeve

TimeMachine · July 5, 2005 4:39PM

I'd bet my left marble that it has been trimmed.

No chance PSA authenticates that card with a grade. Bottomline: stay away.

jmbkb4 · July 5, 2005 5:39PM

and it annoys me when people say "your the bidder..."

It's you're the bidder. Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaarrrrrrrrrrrrggggggghhhhhhhhhhh.

Axtell · July 5, 2005 6:21PM

Woah look at how many times their ebay ID has been changed:

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Carew29 · July 5, 2005 11:06PM

Again it looks like people are still running 3 or 4 different names at a time. Look at the dates of expiration. Even the stuff 4SC is doing should be considered illegal. They are running 5 different names on ebay. It should be 1 person/company--- 1 ebay name. Ebay has proven there still is no credibility. I know of one person in Las Vegas right now using 4 names. Doubt Ebay will ever get it with all of the $$ signs they see.

jrdolan · July 5, 2005 11:14PM

Interesting how he disdains PSA, but uses it in his titles.

He does sell some graded cards (the ones that didn't get rejected as trimmed?) and clearly he knows all about graded cards. So you have to ask yourself, "Hmm, did he try to get this one graded?"

It's not applicable 100% of the time, but my play-it-safe rule for buying valuable cards on eBay: If it could be graded, it WOULD be.

Compare the white borders of his Carew to a graded one (they are scaled to that the interior black borders match up; the white borders should match, too, if untrimmed). As the seller says, "Decide for yourself." And then decide how much you trust all the other raw "NM-MT" cards he's selling.

Stingray · July 5, 2005 11:21PM

What other ID's is 4SC using. Why do they feel the need to have different ID's?

Stingray

WinPitcher · July 5, 2005 11:28PM

Kirk

they have one each for baseball, football, basketball, etc

I think so they can centralize their auctions to that specific sport.

sc

Stingray · July 5, 2005 11:34PM

Oh, so it is not quite as bad as it was made out to be?

Stingray

WinPitcher · July 5, 2005 11:38PM

Only bad thing about it is they will not combine shipping on auctions won from the various names. even if won on the same day.

items are sent in different packages.

sd

edited typos

RipublicaninMass · July 5, 2005 11:40PM

Another bogus disclaimer, we have been seeing this one more and more; "guaranteed to be AUTHENTIC" A-hole!

Stingray · July 5, 2005 11:43PM

Glad I only collect BB. Just won my first card from them. See how it goes, since there has been such hype about them and DSL. So far no issues with DSL, nice cards PSA 8s that look like 9s to me (favoritism my butt!).

Stingray

jrdolan · July 6, 2005 12:04AM

Stingray, they sell BB cards under 4_Sharp_Corners AND under 4_Sharp_Corners_Baseball. If you win one from each on the same night, they will refuse to combine, claiming it's from two different inventories. (Two different boxes on the same table, probably.) Since they end up selling so many cards for less than it cost to grade them, this might be one of the ways they enhance their revenue.

carew4me · July 6, 2005 12:15AM

Stingray · July 6, 2005 12:16AM

Well that does not seem quite right. Will have to keep an eye out for that when bidding, thanks for the info. I just won an item from them using 4_Sharp_Corners_Store.

Stingray

Stone193 · July 6, 2005 12:49AM

Ya gotta love those 67 Topps mini's!

iamthegreatcornholio · July 6, 2005 5:36AM

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Onlypsahockey · July 6, 2005 7:12AM

Floyd did a great job on this one.

Bob

Carew29 · July 6, 2005 10:12AM

Carew4me, that is classic.... "Just nip it, just nip it"(barney)

WinPitcher · July 6, 2005 10:23AM

The current hi bidder (madenlee) is the person that sold the gai 9.5 mantle for a couple hundred more then he paid for it, the guy he sold it to crossed it to psa 10 if you remm.

sd

iamthegreatcornholio · July 7, 2005 3:24AM

editted to make a new thread...

here's the carew - see my caught thread for details

zef204 · July 7, 2005 3:38AM

also about 4sc, someone said so they could keep their inventories seperate(ie baseball, football). I won 3 auctions from them on night for 3 different Randy Johnson rookies and had to pay shipping 3 times. BOOOOOOO.

Stone,

I think PRO should change their name to MINI.

Axtell · July 7, 2005 3:47AM

<< Even the stuff 4SC is doing should be considered illegal. They are running 5 different names on ebay. It should be 1 person/company--- 1 ebay name. Ebay has proven there still is no credibility. I know of one person in Las Vegas right now using 4 names. Doubt Ebay will ever get it with all of the $$ signs they see. >>

Ever think 4SC does this to simplify their massive inventory?

Should be illegal? I think you have beef with 4SC and are just sniping at them whenever you can.

So people should only be allowed to have one ID? What about people who have a buying and selling account?

zef204 · July 7, 2005 3:58AM

Ax-

Don't be naive. They strategically put similar items under seperate accounts to purposlly not combine shipping. They do have a massive inventory but that being said it is not the specific reason for the seperate accounts. I have no problem with thme and all the cards I have bought from them have been as stated with fast shipping(as it should be for $10.50 on 3 cards across 3 id's)

Boopotts · July 7, 2005 4:11AM

"Don't be naive. They strategically put similar items under seperate accounts to purposlly not combine shipping."

So what? Then bid accordingly. Or, if you prefer, don't bid at all.

I've never seen so many people get bunged up over what are, by any measure, legal and fair business practices. You don't like it? Then you can vote with your wallet. But this idea that it should be 'banned' is patently ridiculous.

Again-- If you get the card as advertised, and the seller meets all the conditions laid out in the auction, then you have no beef. The nomar thing is different, since he's lying about the dollar value of his cards. But there is no deceit in 4SC's auctions. You aren't bidding on a 10 and then getting a 7OC in the mail.

zef204 · July 7, 2005 4:24AM

Boo...

I am by no means comparing the nomar with 4sc, and I have no problem with 4sc's practices which is why I have bought from them. I was pointing out that it is intentional and not simply for inventory purposes. 4sc is one of the good guys on e-bay because they are honest and timely and should not be compared to any of these yahoos who try to screw people.

Axtell · July 7, 2005 4:26AM

I am not naive.

I recently won auctions from them from across 2 different IDs...asked if they could combine shipping, they said no...did I care?

Nope.

They aren't trying to do anything deceptive with their seperate IDs, they are easy to see they are all related.

Why is there so much anti-4SC sentiment? Is it the preferred treatment they supposedly get from PSA? Is it that they are doing a great job of making money?

Like the above poster said...if you don't agree with their seperate IDs, don't bid on their cards.

Carew29 · July 7, 2005 8:52AM

Well axtell, i guess it just comes down to the fact that some of us do give a dam. I recently won 3 seperate auctions from them and they were nice enough to take my $9.00 in shipping and were nice enough to send them in the same package for $1.17 (u.s. postage). No insurance,no delivery confirmation, just here ya go and take it in the arss. As for their "massive inventory" , sounds like their problem not mine. What, am i now having to pay their rent out of that $9.00? Man!! Didn't see that coming.

Boopotts · July 7, 2005 9:01AM

<< Well axtell, i guess it just comes down to the fact that some of us do give a dam. I recently won 3 seperate auctions from them and they were nice enough to take my $9.00 in shipping and were nice enough to send them in the same package for $1.17 (u.s. postage). No insurance,no delivery confirmation, just here ya go and take it in the arss. As for their "massive inventory" , sounds like their problem not mine. What, am i now having to pay their rent out of that $9.00? Man!! Didn't see that coming.

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I still don't get it. If it ticks you off, then don't bid on their cards.

Tabe · July 7, 2005 9:10AM

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<< Well axtell, i guess it just comes down to the fact that some of us do give a dam. I recently won 3 seperate auctions from them and they were nice enough to take my $9.00 in shipping and were nice enough to send them in the same package for $1.17 (u.s. postage). No insurance,no delivery confirmation, just here ya go and take it in the arss. As for their "massive inventory" , sounds like their problem not mine. What, am i now having to pay their rent out of that $9.00? Man!! Didn't see that coming.

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I still don't get it. If it ticks you off, then don't bid on their cards. >>

What's not to get about mail fraud? You charge 3 times for shipping and then ship all in one package, you're committing mail fraud.

Tabe

Ahmanfan · July 7, 2005 9:41AM

[q But there is no deceit in 4SC's auctions. You aren't bidding on a 10 and then getting a 7OC in the mail. >>

Actually, quite often you are getting that 7 OC in the mail, it's just in a 10 slab.

iamthegreatcornholio · July 7, 2005 9:44AM

<< What's not to get about mail fraud? You charge 3 times for shipping and then ship all in one package, you're committing mail fraud.

Tabe >>

It's shipping and handling.

I agree it's a crock, but they're upfront, and one should factor that in their bid.

Fletch1750 · July 7, 2005 9:45AM

Send the card to GAI. 9????

zef204 · July 7, 2005 9:47AM

It's actually not mail fraud. The $9 is for shippinh and HANDLING...which cannot be quantified. I agree that they should not conduct business like this and I also agree that if you don't like it don't buy from them. I don't think you have to be on one side or the other here.

Boopotts · July 7, 2005 10:02AM

"Actually, quite often you are getting that 7 OC in the mail, it's just in a 10 slab."

Good one!

Carew29 · July 7, 2005 10:29AM

I'll explain this again for the simpletons----1 name---1 shipping address on ebay. What part of this do you not understand?

I am only pointing out 4SC as an example. There are many more out there that are doing this. My point was that Ebay needs to clean this up. As it stands I could set up ebay names from my dad's house, my place of work and where i am actually living at. I can and could keep cards at all 3 locations and sorry "no combined shipping".

iamthegreatcornholio · July 7, 2005 10:58AM

I think the only simpletons out there are those who lack arithmetic skills.

I’ll put this in bold:

Your max bid should factor in shipping. If you are willing to pay $20 for a card, and shipping is $5, your bid is $20-$5=$15, if shipping is $1, your bid is $20-$1. Stay with me… here’s the general case: Your max total cost = X, shipping = Y; your max bid is X-Y. Let’s call combined shipping Z, that’s the price for each additional card. Generally, Z<Y, so your max bid for these (X-Z) would be a little higher than the first card’s max bid (X-Y). However in this case he doesn't combine shipping (Z=Y). Regardless of what he charges you for shipping, combine it or not, the seller shouldn’t be getting additional money since people SHOULD be bidding less…

I thought this thread was about the turd selling the trimmed carew…

Brian

Southerncards · July 7, 2005 11:06AM

<< I just love guys that tout a card using the SMR as a guide when the card aint graded.

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I also love when someone says "the card books at XYZ" Yeah, XYZ is what the book value is in NRMT condition. Your creased, dog earred version books at considerably less.

zef204 · July 7, 2005 11:11AM

Hey guys...Let's agree to disagree! All of us. Cornhole that makes sense, however the whole angered by not combining shipping across 3 names makes sense as does the e-bay should regulate only one address thing. I think people feel how they feel about this and are going to see it however they want to. Who cares? No reason to belabor the point.

And yes, this was about that turd selling trimmed cards. Any of the high bidders retract?

WinPitcher · July 7, 2005 12:16PM

<< I just love guys that tout a card using the SMR as a guide when the card aint graded.

I also love when someone says "the card books at XYZ" Yeah, XYZ is what the book value is in NRMT condition. Your creased, dog earred version books at considerably less.

Since you quoted what i said and then replied with the above statement are you implying that this is what i have done? If so you have mistaken me for someone else.

please clarify exactly what the hell your saying please. thank you

steve d

If it truly is this good............

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