card grading companies/ advice on liquidating collection

joeyuk · July 2, 2005 8:02AM

I plan on selling some cards for someone in the near future. These include Ryan rookie, 2nd, and 3rd year cards. Bench, Jackson rookies. and a few more expensive cards. I know PCGS recieves the most respect doller wise for coins. Can the same be said for PSA ? I know little about grading cards but except for the Ryan rookie these cards look great to me. The Ryan rookie has some wear on the corners. Any suggestions would be appreciated and I can provide scans or a more complete list if requested. Thanks. Joe

edited to revise title

lawnmowerman · July 2, 2005 8:14AM

Joe, Go ahead with the scans of the cards you mentioned. I am sure you will get some great advice on what to do. PSA is the way to go for the vintage cards your friend has.

Matt

joeyuk · July 2, 2005 9:10AM

Here are a few of the scans. The Calvin Pickering card is a Presidential Edition #10 of 10.

Removed images for those with dial up connections.

lawnmowerman · July 2, 2005 9:24AM

Joe, I would send in the first 9 cards you have listed to be graded. While I dont see any 10's they look to me like they are gradeable. I think it would help when you go to sell them that they are in a PSA slab.

Matt

joeyuk · July 2, 2005 9:32AM

Thanks Matt. There is also a ton of wax and rack boxes involved and sealed sets also. Autographed stuff as well. I think I read in a thread you can get autographed balls authenticated and graded as well?
Thanks again for your opinion and any others are welcome as well.

Stone193 · July 2, 2005 9:45AM

Hi Joe
I was looking at the cards - very nice array - tho there is a lot of corner wear - always hard to see from scans.

What years are the wax/racks?

What auto balls are we talking about?

mike

joeyuk · July 2, 2005 9:54AM

I have to check. All this stuff was my dads. We collected all sports from the late 80's to I guess about 2000.
Most was picked up at time of issue. I know there is are some Ryan auto. balls. Also a Ryan auto. book.
a Dimaggio ball. Thiss is off the top of my head. If I remember right he has about 20 copier paper boxes full
of sealed wax products.

joeyuk · July 2, 2005 10:01AM

Thinking about it there are also some Mantle coopertown collection figures. A couple 1992 olympic basketball dream team starting line up figures. A Ryan Autographed Rangers Jersey. A 1988 olympic auto. black bat auto in gold. I think it was #/125 or maybe 250. A Mike Schmidt auto bat. A Mays auto. bat. A Barry Bonds auto. bat.

rana · July 2, 2005 10:05AM

What sort of wax do you have to sell? If it is football or basketball, post the details, since I'm looking for a few things.

joeyuk · July 2, 2005 10:10AM

I am looking to sell but right now looking for advice as I have not been into this for about 9 years.
I also realize this is not the forum to offer things. I just was not sure if this was the best place to send the cards to be graded as I know from coins the right slab makes a world of difference, and ther is little value when selling anything raw.

I will list on the B/S/T board once I figure out what I have and some kind of value for it.

Stone193 · July 2, 2005 10:53AM

Joe
My recommendation: take it slow and get everything inventories/itemized. Then as you go, please feel free to come on and ask questions. I would like to see scans of the auto items e.g. The easiest way to get an idea of better ebay market values for autos e.g. is to enter - psa/dna - search on ebay and look for comparable items. If you have nice auto items, they will sell better with a psa/dna coa IMO.

For ease of sale, these cards can be PSA graded - again check on ebay - e.g. Ryan PSA for comparable items - from what I can see and this is a guess - no card will grade higher than a PSA 6.

Good luck and all my best
mike

joeyuk · July 2, 2005 10:49PM

Well I took the first step. I joined at the gold level. They'll send a submission packet out next week.
Now I have 3 questions. How accurate is the on-line price guide?
What does the Q stand for in the grading?
Also in the pop. report some cards are listed as PSA/DNA. I assume these are autographed cards.
Thanks

WinPitcher · July 2, 2005 11:47PM

welcome joe

the Q means the card has a qualifier, that is a defect. OC (off center) ST (stained) etc. it usually lowers the card by 2 grades in general. You can request NO QUALIFIERS and that is what Psa will do. Example a card is OC and should grade an 8, your card will in most cases get a grade of 6. could get a lower grade depending on the severity.

The online price guide is just that a guide and many believe it is so outta wack. however many trades are completed using it.

you are correct regarding the psa/dna assumption

Steve D

joeyuk · July 8, 2005 9:03AM

I took a few pictures last week and started to inventory the wax and sets. For now I'll post some pics and will be looking for pricing. Perhaps you guys are mor familar with some of the material. Some of the stuff I know prices from like 10 years ago but they could have gone either way since then.

Knuckles · July 8, 2005 9:27AM

Joe,

I'm mostly a hockey guy but as for the signed Mickey Mantle ball if you sold it as is you'll get around $350-$400 for it. If you sent it in to PSA/DNA for authentication and grading you'll get around $700 for it for sure and if it receives a high grade you'll get a lot more than $700 for it.

As for price guides I wouldn't even bother.. Your best bet is to search for each item you have using the eBay completed items search feature and jot down the average prices which the items end for.

joeyuk · July 12, 2005 1:11AM

Wow Knuckles I hsd no idea. I bought the auto balls mostly off QVC in the 90's and later felt they just put too many on the market. Now I see they are pristine white balls with clear sharp autographs. PSA/DNA will be at a show in Garden City, New York next month and that is less then a hour from me so I guess I'll take a ride out there with the kids. In addition to the 2 Mantle balls and Dimaggio ball there are a few Ryan items, a 300 win ball, strike out leaders. I was suprised to see the prices paid for some of these items. Also a couple Riddel mini helmets aotographed by Ottis Anderson MVP, another Dan Marino, another Vinney Testeverde and last a Jets throwback helmet with the Sack Exchange auto. (Klecko, Gastineau, Lyons and Sallam)
stone193, as far as listing the wax boxes I was a bit disappointed in the e-bay prices on these. Between the sets and wax there are about 300 items and the vast majority are $10 or under. It would probly cost half that to send a wax box. I suppose if anyone is interested and would like we could meet. I would rather spend $10 in gas then $400 in postage. I'll post a partial list of what I consider the highlights. They may be lame now but at the time they were the cats azz. Well I got carried away and listed everything so I could cut and paste a neat list. Joe

...................................................BASEBALL

3-1998 fleer tradition update sets

1-1993 leaf ser. 1 wax
1-1993 leaf ser. 2 wax
5-1993 leaf update wax

1-1992 upperdeck ser. 1 foil
1-1992 upperdeck high ser. foil
1-1992 fleer ultra ser. 2 wax
1-1992 donruss ser.1 wax
1-1992 topps stadium club ser. 1 wax

1-1991 leaf ser. 2 foil
1-1991 donruss ser. 1 wax
1-1991 donruss ser. 2 wax
1-1991 score ser. 1 wax
1-1991 score ser. 2 wax
1-1991 topps wax
5-1991 upperdeck find nolan foil
1-1991 fleer wax
1-1991 fleer cello
1-1991 score factory set

6-1990 score wax
2-1990 upperdeck foil
2-1990 upperdeck find reggie foil
4-1990 donruss wax
3-1990 fleer wax
1-1990 bowman wax
1 1990 fleer cello
3-1990 score rookie and traded
1-1990 topps traded
1-1990 elite senior baseball set
1-1990 upperdeck high # set
1-1990 topps factory set
1-1990 fleer factory set
1-1990 bowman factory set

1-1989 donruss wax
1-1989 score wax
5-1989 fleer wax
3-1989 bowman wax
2-1989 score rookie and traded set
1-1989 fleer update
2-1989 topps traded
1-1989 score young superstars set # 2
1-1989 donruss rookies set
1-1989 topps factory set
1-1989 fleer factory set
1-1989 score factory set
1-1989 donruss factory set
1-1989 upperdeck hc set

1-1988 topps wax
2-1988 topps traded
1-1988 topps factory set
1-1988 score factory set
1-1988 donruss factory set
1-1988 fleer tin glossy hc set
1-1988 fleer hc set

2-1987 topps wax
3-1987 donruss wax
2-1987 fleer update set
1-1988 topps traded set
1-1988 donruss factory set
1-1988 fleer hc set

1-1986 fleer update set
3-1986 topps traded set
1-1986 donruss rookies set
1-1986 fleer hc set

1-1985 fleer update set
1-1985 topps traded set
1-1985 topps hc set

1-1984 donruss hc set
1-1984 topps hc set

1-1983 topps hc set

1-1982 factory sealed topps traded set

1-1981 topps hc set

1-1980 topps hc set

..........................................................................BASKETBALL

1-1991 fleer cello

7-1990 fleer wax
2-1990 skybox ser. 1 wax
2-1990 skybox ser. 2 wax
2-1990 hoops wax
1-1990 fleer update
2-1990 shybox hc tin sets

1-1980 topps hc set

.....................................................................football

6-1991 pro set ser. 1 wax
6-1991 all world cfl wax
11-1991 pacific plus wax
2-1991 score ser. 1 wax
2-1991 score ser. 2 wax
2-1991 upperdeck football
1-1991 pinnacle wax
10-1991 upperdeck high # factory set
4-1991 score rookie & traded set
1-1991 classic draft picks

4-1990 pro set ser. 1 wax
6-1990 pro set ser. 2 wax
3-1990 score ser. 1 wax
3-1990 score ser. 2 wax
2-1990 fleer wax
1-1990 pro set world league sealed 4 set box
2-1990 topps wax
1-1990 topps cello
2-1990 action packed all madden wax
1-1990 action packed ser. 1 wax
1-1990 action packed ser. 2 wax
1-1990 score factory set

1-1989 pro set wax
1-1989 action packed test market wax
1-1989 topps traded

1-1988 topps wax
2-1988 topps factory set

1-1980 topps hc set

..............................................................................HOCKEY

3-1991 pro set french ser. 1 wax
2-1991 topps wax
1-1991 topps cello
1-1991 parkhurst ser. 1 wax
2-1991 pro set ser. 2 wax
1-1991 topps stadium club wax
1-1991 upperdeck high ser. foil
1-1991 score young superstars

4-1990 topps wax
1-1990 bowman wax
3-1990 proset ser.1(?) wax
1-1990 whl tomorrows stars today wax
10-1990 score french wax
7-1990 score french factory set
10-1990 score American wax
6-1990 score American factory set
2-1990 upperdeck foil
8-1990 upperdeck high # factory set
3-1990 score rookie & traded set

2-1989 topps wax
1-1989 o pee chee wax

smallstocks · July 12, 2005 2:11AM

Sorry to say but there is so much modern unopened available they just won't sell for much.

Mike

joeyuk · July 12, 2005 2:14AM

Alot of hype in 80's and 90's you should have seen price stickers on some.

joeyuk · July 26, 2005 3:18AM

Well I got grades back on the first submission. I have two more submissions I'm waiting on grades for.

PSA Order Status for Submission # 4325979

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 12275525 1968 TOPPS 177 METS ROOKIES J.KOOSMAN/N.RYAN 4
2 12275526 1968 TOPPS 247 REDS ROOKIES J.BENCH/R.TOMPKINS 9
3 12275527 1969 TOPPS 533 NOLAN RYAN N/A 8
4 12275528 1969 TOPPS 260 REGGIE JACKSON N/A 6
5 12275529 1970 TOPPS 712 NOLAN RYAN N/A 8
6 12275530 1970 TOPPS 140 REGGIE JACKSON N/A 5

Date Received: 07/20/2005
Date of Grades Posted: 07/26/2005
Date Shipped: 07/26/2005

RipublicaninMass · July 26, 2005 3:24AM

Wow nice grades!!! I am sure all those will sell for good money!

zef204 · July 26, 2005 3:30AM

I'll give you 10 bucks for that R. Tompkins card. I am firm on that price.

Great grades!

joeyuk · July 26, 2005 3:33AM

I'm waiting on two more sets of submission grader and I'm going to a card show in NY psa/dna will be at
so when I get everything back I'll probly list everything in the B/S/T forum and e-bay off whats left.
It seems e-bay is about 2/3 SMR for most.

joeyuk · July 26, 2005 3:34AM

How bout the Koosman rookie. He's great.

IJustLoveCards · July 26, 2005 3:39AM

the bench psa 9 should fetch over 1K on ebay...

very nice grades...good luck with the sales...

joeyuk · July 26, 2005 5:47AM

Here is the other submission. I guess they combined the other two.
I guess any profits from the first submission will pay for these.

PSA Order Status for Submission # 4325982

LINE # CERT # CARD CARD CO. CARD # CARD NAME VARIETY GRADE
1 12275489 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 93 DREW HENSON N/A 8
1 12275490 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 93 DREW HENSON N/A 8
1 12275491 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 93 DREW HENSON N/A 8
1 12275492 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 93 DREW HENSON N/A 8
2 12275493 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 122 RICKY WILLIAMS N/A 8
2 12275494 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 122 RICKY WILLIAMS N/A 8
2 12275495 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 122 RICKY WILLIAMS N/A 8
2 12275496 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 122 RICKY WILLIAMS N/A 8
3 12275497 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 51 J.D. DREW N/A 8
3 12275498 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 51 J.D. DREW N/A 8
3 12275499 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 51 J.D. DREW N/A 9
3 12275500 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 51 J.D. DREW N/A 9
4 12275501 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS GF13 J.D. DREW GREAT FUTURES 9
5 12275502 1999 SP TOP PROSPECTS 104 CALVIN PICKERING PRESIDENT'S EDITION 7
6 12275503 1989 UPPER DECK 1 KEN GRIFFEY JR. STAR ROOKIE 7
7 12275504 1989 TOPPS TRADED 41T KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 9
8 12275505 1989 FLEER 548 KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 9
9 12275506 1989 SCORE TRADED 100T KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 7
10 12275507 1989 DONRUSS 33 KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 8
11 12275508 1989 BOWMAN 220 KEN GRIFFEY JR. N/A 8
12 12275509 1991 UPPER DECK SP1 MICHAEL JORDAN N/A 9
13 12275510 2002 FLEER AUTHENTIX JA-JT JIM THOME JERSEY-UNRIPPED 8
14 12275511 1998 DONRUSS SIGNATURE 122 TROY GLAUS N/A 9
15 12275512 1987 FLEER 604 BARRY BONDS N/A 8
16 12275513 1987 DONRUSS 46 MARK McGWIRE N/A 7
17 12275514 1985 TOPPS 401 MARK McGWIRE 84 USA BASEBALL TEAM 8
18 12275515 1984 FLEER UPDATE U-103 BRET SABERHAGEN N/A 9
19 12275516 1984 TOPPS 63 JOHN ELWAY N/A 6
20 12275517 1984 TOPPS 123 DAN MARINO N/A 7ST
21 12275518 1998 SP AUTHENTIC KG KEN GRIFFEY JR. CHIROGRAPHY 9
22 12275519 1999 SP AUTHENTIC JR. KEN GRIFFEY JR. CHIROGRAPHY 10
23 12275520 1998 DONRUSS SIGNATURE WILLIE McCOVEY SIGNIFICANT SIGNATURES 8
24 12275521 1998 FLEER UPDATE U87 TROY GLAUS N/A 7
25 12275522 2001 UD PROS & PROS. TN-RA RICK ANKIEL THEN & NOW JERSEYS 10
26 12275523 NEEDS PSA/DNA REFUND DO NOT GRADE N/A Not Holdered, No Holder Available
27 12275524 1992 UPPER DECK 1 SHAQUILLE O'NEAL N/A 6

Date Received: 07/20/2005
Date of Grades Posted: 07/26/2005
Date Shipped: No Date Specified

calleocho · July 26, 2005 7:19AM

its a very nice collection overall, especially the signed stuff.

But since you do not collect baseball cards and memoribilia why didnt you just sell everything to one dealer?

joeyuk · July 26, 2005 7:44AM

From the couple of dealers near me they buy very low and sell very high and only deal in raw cards. The cards they sell are all mint and if they are willing to buy your card it is at 30-50% of what they would sell it for. If I have a $100 card to sell I would rather sell it to a collector for $75 then to a dealer for $50 who will sell it to the collector for $95. I make more and the collector saves more.
From my experience with coins third party grading enhances the value. It creates a much more liquid sight unseen market.
As for the autographed items I have confidence in them because they were purchased thru say QVC on television which I feel does due dilligence on such things or they were purchased thru scoreboard or similar company. Others were signed in person. Just because I have confidence in the item it is not fair to expect you to.
Third party grading on all these items I feel gives the purchaser the confidence to pay what it is worth.

Buccaneer · July 26, 2005 9:03AM

<< <i>Alot of hype in 80's and 90's you should have seen price stickers on some. >>

Ain't that the truth.

calleocho · July 26, 2005 12:35PM

makes sense.

Its a very nice collection although a little all over the place.

PSA will bring out the best results.

joeyuk · July 26, 2005 2:08PM

Alot was my Dad's some is mine and some is my 15 year olds. My son's taste is running to electric guitar + equiptment. So you have 3 generations of influence.

card grading companies/ advice on liquidating collection

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