If you were to submit a rare coin,(truely a rare coin noted in the Krause manuals), and it had a scr

Scavenger

dont you think that it should be graded anyway? Personally I feel that if a coin is that rare, that a few imperfections should be overlooked.
This wouldnt open the flood gates for everything - just the coins that are noted as rare, ( *rare ) in the manual.

michael

it all depends on where the scratch is on the coin and how deep

but overall in general i agree with you

Steve27

Go see the thread on net grading.

Steve

<< <i>dont you think that it should be graded anyway? >>



As you describe it, YES. How do you know PCGS would not grade it? Sometimes we make assumptions about this, draw our own conclusions and then complain about the perceived results. I own a 1909VDB Matte proof Lincoln cent with a prominent carbon spot over Lincoln's head. PCGS graded the coin PR61RB because it IS rare and downgraded it. I have a graded coin in my registry that I am very happy with. If I submitted a 1954 Lincoln proof cent with the same carbon spot in the same place, PCGS would probably bodybag it, and I would agree. Steve

Scavenger

Coin in question was shipped back 6/20/05 marked damaged

AlaBill

In my opinion the TPG's are currently grading cleaned coins.

The earlier and more rare the coin the more hairlines from old, light cleaning they allow for the grade. Gold is particularly vulnerable to this effect.

Steve27

" Coin in question was shipped back 6/20/05 marked damaged"

What is it, and do you have a pic?

tmot99

If it was a MS65 example otherwise but had a scratch, I can understand a bodybag. If it was a circulated example and had a scratch I would expect them to grade it.

Scavenger

I'm at work so no I dont have a picture, Philippines 1928M Mule variety

mgoodm3

Probably depends on the coin. There's "rare" and then there's "rare and important"

Stunner

thats right if it aint noted *rare and important its a POS

Weather11am

they should atleast authenticate it as genuine.

Baley

The degree of damage is paramount... a light "normal circulation" scratch or two can be forgiven (well, factored into the "net grade") by Pcgs and Ngc. Same with rim dings and 'warshings off', particularly if the coin is very old, very scarce, very valuable, or a combination of the three.

"bad" scratches and other damage will preclude holdering by P or N, but can go into NCS or ANACS holders with the damage described. That way you get authenticity guarantees and a detail grade.

With NCS, they don't attempt to "net" grade for the damage. With anacs, they evaluate the extent of the damage and give an opinion of the overall grade. An Unc coin with a light cleaning and barely detectable hairlines may net AU55, while the same date/mm coin with Unc. details but severe "brillo" hairlines would grade "unc details cleaned net EF40" or some such. Neither coin as described would "slab" at Pcgs or Ngc.

This rare coin is in an ANACS slab described as "fine details holed net FR2"


R6 coin, a couple dozen coins known in all grades

No matter how rare or valuable a coin, there are certain kinds of damage that won't "holder" at P or N

Scavenger, you might find this thread interesting

PerryHall

<< <i>thats right if it aint noted *rare and important its a POS >>

shirohniichan

I have an 1876 II/II trade dollar that's harshly cleaned. Is it rare? Yes. Is it "important" in the general numismatic world? No! Will PCGS sl*b it? No.