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coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
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Ok I was looking at this auction on ebay and to me this pic seems like its been messed with. Notice the cheek and neck area, seems like some bluring going on; what do you think?
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  • kyleknapkyleknap Posts: 980
    Regardless of rather or not it has been messed with (it could have been, but then again, it could just be a weird effect of image downsizing or something of the like), that photo is shot at an angle that makes it very difficult to discern marks on the coin's surface.

    Kyle
  • drzaiusdrzaius Posts: 57
    The blur tool was probably used...
  • p8ntp8nt Posts: 2,947 ✭✭✭
    Here are the rest of the pictures for the coin. Note, it is a MS63 so I think it is quite obvious the coin image was blurred seeing as there are no other marks to take it down to a MS63.
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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Well it is in a PCGS MS63 holder so its not the grade I'm questioning but the seller says in the auction that it looks like a MS65 to him. The cheek and neck area look to have hits or luster grazes that have been blured out to "enhance" the look to match the sellers comments. I'm no expert on pics so I'm not accusing the seller, just wondering if anyone sees something amiss.

    Chris
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  • drzaiusdrzaius Posts: 57
    My other guess is if these pictures haven't been doctored, they still don't show what the coin really looks like.

    The reverse is also suspect. Especially the eagle's breast and toward the wing tips.
  • TayTayTayTay Posts: 465 ✭✭
    I couldn't tell, so I blowed it up, as they say around here. Now, I still can't tell, but I am leaning in one direction image

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  • SnoodleSnoodle Posts: 80
    Blowed it up

    Excellent idea! I was going to recommend this. If in doubt, blowed the sucker up, and compare the questionable areas, to areas of unquestionable detail. To me, it is obvious. Someones got their fingers in the pot!

    -Chris...
  • aeast236aeast236 Posts: 285 ✭
    definate photo doctoring...no doubt. The blur is not consistent with the focal point of the picture.
    -Aaron
  • oldcameoproofsguyoldcameoproofsguy Posts: 3,174 ✭
    The secret to great photography is to take a lot of pictures.

    I take at least 30 pics of the same coin (varying lighting and exposure) before I get the one that satisfies me.
  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TT for more thoughts.

    Chris
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  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    If they really wanted to make it look good it should have come out like this:

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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭
    Hi,
    this help? image

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  • coinbufcoinbuf Posts: 11,822 ✭✭✭✭✭
    So it would seem that most agree that the pics were doctored. Seems a waste of time for a PGCS graded coin, BTW the seller is a forum member.

    Chris
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  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    About the only to tell if a photo has been messed with that I know of is to compare the coin in hand with the image. Any reasonably detailed scan or photo will show scratches, hits, etc. These are very easy to remove with photoshop and I don't know of any way to detect that they have cloned out. Even the FBI has trouble with detecting altered photos.
    Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
  • VAMs4U2BuyHereVAMs4U2BuyHere Posts: 304
    Definitely looks image with to me.



    << <i>The secret to great photography is to take a lot of pictures. >>



    This is so true. I tend to take at least 4 or 5 of each image and then choose the best for auction. Most of my auctions include 5 photos or more because of the VAM die varieties. I like to include a photo of the attribution, so I wind up spending a great deal of time getting them right. I don't alter my photos at all, with the exception of cropping and adding identification arrows when needed.

    Now somebody pay me for my hard work!!! image
  • AuldFartteAuldFartte Posts: 4,597 ✭✭✭✭


    << <i> The blur is not consistent with the focal point of the picture. >>



    That sums it up quite accurately.
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  • DMWJRDMWJR Posts: 6,042 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maybe I'm going against the crowd, but the photo appears in focus toward the bottom of the obverse, and the photographer has the coin tilted, probably trying to avoid glare. I think everything north of the lower hair is blurry.

    However, it's no 65, and those are some serious dings on the face and jaw that just don't show up in the picture.
    Doug
  • streeterstreeter Posts: 4,312 ✭✭✭✭✭
    8313481321

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  • magikbillymagikbilly Posts: 6,780 ✭


    << <i>Maybe I'm going against the crowd, but the photo appears in focus toward the bottom of the obverse, and the photographer has the coin tilted, probably trying to avoid glare. I think everything north of the lower hair is blurry.

    However, it's no 65, and those are some serious dings on the face and jaw that just don't show up in the picture. >>



    What do you think that large circle on the reverse I made more visible - what do you think that is? What do you think made it?

    http://www.geocities.com/pcarruthers41/imageMORGAN.jpg

    Billy

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