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A 53 Mantle over $1000???

nightcrawler729nightcrawler729 Posts: 470 ✭✭
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You be the judge, but a seller that has no feedback and no other items always raises the red flags with me...

53 Mantle

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  • Stone193Stone193 Posts: 24,407 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!

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    Mike
  • julen23julen23 Posts: 4,558 ✭✭
    That card looks Maaahhhveelous baby!

    Julen
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  • WinPitcherWinPitcher Posts: 27,726 ✭✭✭
    he takes paypal and is offering a full refund. could be a newbie trying to sell a card. then again it could have been a powerseller with 99.9 feedback and we would be all over him/her as well. who nose?
    Good for you.
  • cdchangercdchanger Posts: 100
    The ONLY reason to sell an expensive card that has not been authenticated - especially when you admit that you know about a grading service - is to STEAL money from the buyer. No legit and rational seller would take less for a raw card than he could get for an authenticated card; it just does not happen. PayPal and "money-back" guarantees do NOT mean squat once a fraudster has your money and has vanished. (Thouroughly "investigate" the PayPal policy regarding "guarantees dishonored by vendors." The privity attached to such a breach does NOT likely extend to PayPal. That means the ONLY remedy for the shafted buyer is NONE.)

    Any observer who bets $1.00 that such raw cards are fake, will win. Any buyer who bets $1,000+ that such raw cards are real, will lose.
  • 2dueces2dueces Posts: 6,453 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Bidding over $1000.00. Seller no feedback? Card not graded? Ahhhhhhhhhhh a fool and his money are soon parted. I'm waiting till the last minute to snipe it high.LOL
    W.C.Fields
    "I spent 50% of my money on alcohol, women, and gambling. The other half I wasted.
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    Whenever someone uses Tuff Stuff and Beckett to quote the value of a card like this, you know the scamster is someone who has never held a card older than a 1994 A-Rod in his hand.
  • stevekstevek Posts: 29,035 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< This is an Original 1953 Mickey Mantle Topps card # 82. I've had this card for over 10 years. I've been to many card shows and have had the card checked out and all of them said that this card is an authentic original mickey mantle card and is worth well over 4,000$. Tuff Stuff Beckett priced this card as well for around the same amount. As you should know the price of such a valuable card will go up over time. To the highest bidder that recieved this genuine card: If you have any problems with not being sure of its authenticity please email me and you will recieve a full refund including shipping fees. >>>

    The scammers are getting more clever but there are enough red flags in this statement to detect that "Yes" it is a scam. The main point is that the scammer cuts his own throat in stating his knowledge with going to "many" card shows, reading baseball card guides, etc. So surely he knows that if the card was genuine that he should get it graded for maximum resale value.
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    Don't get to upset with me. But just to play devils advocate here, why does everyone think that every vintage card has to be slabbed? I know that selling something on Ebay is going to be harder without authentication, especially on a card like this. But if I was to go to a card show to buy vintage raw and was looking for something not this expensive, like a 67 Clemente lets say, I think I would not hesitate to buy one just because it is not graded. Again, not every vintage card is going to be slabbed, maybe he is not knowledgable in grading services? I buy PSA graded for my piece of mind, but I don't think that we have to jump all over someone or somecard as being automatically fake becuase it is not graded. Knowing what I know, of course I would have it graded. Just some points to ponder, not to piss anyone off.

    Stingray
  • cdchangercdchanger Posts: 100
    For now - this year, maybe for several more years - it is usually going to be safe to buy a "less expensive" card without a PSA/equivalent cert.

    Five years ago, it was safe to buy almost any collectible stamp with a retail value of less than $500 without expertization. Today, it is unsafe for ANY untrained/inexperienced collector to buy a $50.00 dollar stamp without an industry cert. The fraud-enabling technology curve was hurdled earlier - and easier - with stamps than with cards; but, VERY soon "near perfect" cards will be just as easy to "make" as "valuable" stamps are today. When "the flood" comes, it will be too late to save the card hobby/investment-link, UNLESS a large effort is made NOW to certify as many "real cards" as possible. (That does not mean that the cards have to be slabbed. PSE slabs relatively few stamps, but their "expertization letter with photo" is STILL an accepatble "insurance policy." PSA can do the same for unslabbed cards.)

    The slabs and the certs are about "maintaining the confidence of people who have money to spend." Once that confidence is destroyed, there will be no incentive for people to buy cards as a "storehouse of value." One can think it is still a hobby for little boys, but it is much more - or can be - to cash-flush folks who want to put their money in tangible things that will AT LEAST hold their value. Those folks are the ONLY future fair-market for every collector on these boards. (If you think dealers offer tiny buy-prices today, wait until the fraud wave kills the supply of new collectors/investors.)

    Remember, governments do not prohibit the counterfeiting of currencies because money is lost in commerce involving fake notes. Printing money is illegal because it undermines/destroys the CONFIDENCE of people in the system that the REAL notes keep afloat

    ANY seller that chooses not to slab cards for "aesthetic reasons" can easily prove that he/she is acting in good faith simply by having the cards looked at and reported out by PSA. Clearly, the ONLY reason a seller would not agree to do that is to further a fraud.

    Just some points to ponder.

    Cher
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    People who want to buy raw, sharp-looking 1953 Topps Mantles on eBay from a zero feedback seller are certainly at liberty to send a large money order off to a PO box somewhere and wait happily for the card of their dreams to arrive.

    Then when (if) it arrives and they come back here saying "Hey this is an obvious reprint! Why didn't you guys warn me??" we'll reply that we didn't want to assume the worst just because all the red flags were there.
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    I was not trying to make a case of the seller and if the sale looks to be a fraud, I was just trying to bring up the notion of buying raw vintage instead of slabbed. I do agree that I would not be inclined to buy such a card from someone on Ebay unless it was a reputable dealer.

    Stingray
  • studentT206studentT206 Posts: 172
    Sure the card is authentic. I guarantee though that it's retouched or tirmmed or both. Seller guarantees it to be authentic but not unaltered. Seller carefully offers a refund based on authenticity alone. No 100% money back guarantee. Huge red flag. I think that the reason for the high bids are suckers and people who are aware of the possibilties to sucker someone else down the road.

    Damian
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