1961 Proof DDR Lincoln - the Frankie is flawless ...

RSundermier

Just got an un-opened 61 proof set in today, so of course I had to open it ....
The Franklin is perfect. The Jefferson is dcam with purple toning ... nice!

Check out the Lincoln - I looked it up on Coppercoins, but it's not listed.
I don't think it's ejection doubling, but I'm not positive ('cause I'm a novice)
but doubling appears on everything but the highest relief areas - those are fine.
Notice the sherifs on the bottom "G" - none on the top one though ...

Can anyone give me any info on this ?







I have got to get a better camera ....

Questions:
1) How much would this affect the grade?
2) Should I submit the whole set?

Thanks (again) for all your help.

Smittys

Nice Doubled die....
However I don't know what it's worth

kryptonitecomics

Looks like machine doubling to me but it's tough to tell from the pictures. I have purchased a lot of these 61 Proof sets and have found quite a few with Machine doubling.......but none of the elusive DDO's......

I even sent a Franklin half off for attribution...and it came back machine doubled

DMWJR

This is certainly a doubled die, and not machine doubling.

It is one of the better ones, but it's not like it is going to bring moon money. I can check my attributions when I get home tonight and probably tell you the attribution.

Are you keeping or selling?

Kelerag

How about a pic of the Frankie & Jefferson?

RSundermier

I don't know if I'm keeping or selling yet, but a PCGS graded coin will always bring more than raw .... right?

DMWJR

Yes, you are correct, but PCGS is not going to give you any attribution on the holder for this, and IMO (conditioned on the grade of the coin) this is going to be a $25 coin, hardly worth the grading fees to get it graded.

RSundermier

Kelerag .... Here's the best I can do right now. A 10x pic on my QX3 - sorry.
I'm charging my idgital camera, but I only get a pic or 2 and it goes out again -
must need a new lith battery .... or a trash can ....

Doug - email me direct rsundermier@comcast.net
I'll at least hear your offer ....



Here's the 5 & 10 ... not gonna post'em - get'em if ya want.

DMWJR

It's not that I'm wanting to make you an offer, but I will be glad to check the attribution tonight, and that will better help you estimate the value. Also, I would need to see how many of these I already have before I made you an offer. (I have TONS of proof Lincoln DD's).

RSundermier

Thanks Doug. If you find the attribution, you can email me. I'd appreciate it.
I know there must be tons of reference places on the web, but I only know
of Coppercoins.com - I really should buy some liturature on coins in general.

Here's the only (out of focus) pictures I could take before my camera died (again)




I'll eventually get a good picture up of the whole set ....

seanq

Just to second DWMJR's attribution, that is undoubtedly a doubled die reverse on the cent. The doubling on the FG in particular is raised and notched, not flat and shelf-like. Nice find.


Sean Reynolds

ecos

RSundermier,
Great looking DDR!
It looks like CONECA lists 10 different Double Die Reverses for the 1961 Proof Lincoln.
Here is a Link to the descriptions. You may be able to narrow it down from there.
Good Luck!

mgoodm3

Nice DDR.

RSundermier

Thanks everybody - and thanks for the Linky to Coneca, ecos.
I'll let oyu know how it grades out.

coppercoins

Your coin is:

1. Definitely a doubled die, no question about it.
2. A nicer variety, meaning a decent premium value.
3. Worth between $50 and $75.

Sending it to PCGS would be a complete waste of time if you're looking for a DDR designation. It would add nothing to the value of the coin having it in a slab.

I bought a 1963 proof Lincoln in PCGS PR67RD at a show last weekend for $10. It has a nice tripled die reverse. The slab certainly made no difference in my opinion to buy the coin. It wouldn't make any difference to most die variety collectors who would be interested in the coin since very few die variety collectors care about slab grades. They are after an example of the die, not an example of the plastic.

RSundermier

Thanks Mr. Daughtrey, I'll take your advice and save the fees.

Everyone - thanks again for your help and opinions.

DMWJR

You coin matches one I have that has been attributed as a 14-R-II. It's possible that it is an 8-R-II, but I think it is the 14. I like to collect Proof Lincoln varieties, and due to the lack of attribution information out there, I have sort of created my own (which wouldn't do you any good).

What do you grade it?

RSundermier

I believe you are correct in saying that it is DDR-008, because the markers seem to match.

Here is the die scratch under #1


Here is a line in the shoulder fold on the front (Lots of cameo ) ;}


I think I would expect it to come back PR67Cam ... 68Cam might be a stretch because of 2 "milk spots"
on the obverse ... any way to get them off ? - maybe send it to a pro ?
Anyway, here's a shot of each side ... remember I only have a QX3 to work with for right now.





Let me know what you think ... it's a lot prettier in person ....

RSundermier

Doug -

You said that it matched a DDR-014 that you have. Check this hairline coming down from Lincoln's eye.

Does yours have this ?



Let me know ....

DMWJR

Rick, those are great pictures!

I'm glad you are posting these. Proof Lincoln varieties are something I usually have to enjoy alone. I don't really know of anyone who studies them in depth the way I do. Most collectors focus on the few Fivaz/Stanton varieties, but there are several out there that are just as dramatic like the one you are posting. By the way, this one has the largest spread of any 1961 DDR that I have in my collection (eight different 1961 DDRs).

Once I completed my Proof Lincoln set 09 to date, the upgrade process was really slow. So I chose this way to continue to enjoy Proof Lincolns. I have rolls of doubled dies. It's funny because over the last six or eight months I have spent less on coins than any other period over the last six years, and I have probably had more fun doing it!

Sorry I'm slow posting, but I'll go through my 61's and see if I can take some pics and post them. The one in my reference set is a PR63, but has a fantastic strike on the reverse (but is stage . I'll pull some of the other copies I have and make some photos.

RSundermier

I hope to some day have HALF the collection that you have.

Where could I send this to for both grade and attributes at the same time ?