Do you think there will be MS70 2005 state quarters graded

jcping · June 21, 2005 11:14AM

Any idea?

XXX · June 21, 2005 11:23AM

I would Say YES.

djm · June 21, 2005 12:25PM

With a Satin designation Yes. A regular bussiness strike NO.

Datentype · June 21, 2005 12:26PM

I say no for a "real" ms70 level perfect coin.

wondercoin · June 21, 2005 1:42PM

I have already seen a few 2005 MS state quarters I would have comfortably graded PCGS-MS70. While the coins will likely be VERY scarce overall, IMHO, they will be available this year.

Wondercoin.

CoinFame · June 21, 2005 1:56PM

The railroad track says: "Yes on one or more varieties with "Satin Finish" on the label and Extremely Rare."

The 69s can be found, but don't grow on trees either despite what has been seen in recent offerings out there.

XXX · June 21, 2005 2:22PM

Seth....."Ditto".

CoinFame · June 21, 2005 2:25PM

<--- My thoughts exactly.

Datentype · June 21, 2005 2:40PM

Mitch if there is any chance of and ms70, i predict only the oregon p has a chance at perfection. the MN-p have the bird problem and the calipornia has the Muir rub thing going on and the other 2 i do not see coming near as sharp as those 3.

wondercoin · June 21, 2005 2:44PM

Mark: I tend to agree with you for the most part; however just for the fun of it I'll predict the MN(p) will be the first state to land the perfect MS70 grade. Of course, you'll need to give me the appropriate odds if you are taking the OR(p)

Wondercoin

ctgreatone · June 21, 2005 2:48PM

I was looking at the pop report of PCGS and never has a business struck coin been graded MS-70 so I don't think it will happen.

No no no !!!

Greg

itsnotjustme · June 21, 2005 3:03PM

I like those terms...

The Bird Problem... MN
The Muir Rub... CA

Add
Scratched Horn... KA

The OR and WV appear free of problem high points on the state side. But then it seams the rims take it more.

Does anyone know the weight given to the rim scratches so common on Sac Dollars? Seams very hard to find a coin without some. Can you make 69 with a touch if the rest of the surface is flawless?

jcping · June 21, 2005 4:01PM

> I was looking at the pop report of PCGS and never has a business struck coin been graded MS-70 so I don't think it will happen.

Did you check the modern Commemorative coins (1982 to Date)? There are thousands of MS70 business struck coins.

Dan50 · June 21, 2005 6:01PM

<< Did you check the modern Commemorative coins (1982 to Date)? There are thousands of MS70 business struck coins. >>

Commemorative coins business strike?? How many commemorative coins have you recieved in change from your local stores?

Steve27 · June 21, 2005 9:09PM

Even though the satin coins are not business strikes, I doubt that PCGS will give a 70 (even if deserved).

Datentype · June 22, 2005 2:29AM

Has anyone heard the rumor of the lock ness monster variety for the Oregon quarter?

CoinFame · June 22, 2005 2:54AM

datentype: I don't know whether to laugh or cry. Are you serious?

BTW: Nice hockey animation! It makes me wish I were on the ice.

Datentype · June 22, 2005 3:05AM

Hi Seth, first die crack in the lake will make it real. Cool on the ice skating!

CoinFame · June 22, 2005 3:17AM

I have seen a Ness sticking it's head out, but didn't think much of it. It was just a metal shaving stuck to the die and only showed up once. I'll keep a better look out for the "Crater Lake Monster" from now on.

Datentype · June 22, 2005 4:16AM

There are some other varities being kicked around: West Virginia Suicide Jumper and the California Crapping Condor

CoinFame · June 22, 2005 4:22AM

<< There are some other varities being kicked around: West Virginia Suicide Jumper and the California Crapping Condor >>

I'll keep my loupe out for them.

ctgreatone · June 22, 2005 7:28AM

when I said no "pop MS-70" I was thinking only Washington Quarters. Still no 70's outside the proofs to date. It will not happen.

wondercoin · June 24, 2005 12:36PM

"Mitch if there is any chance of and ms70, i predict only the oregon p has a chance at perfection. the MN-p have the bird problem and the calipornia has the Muir rub thing going on and the other 2 i do not see coming near as sharp as those 3."

Mark: (3) MN(p) MS70's graded today (coins hand-picked by a dedicated and seasoned state quarter collector, which I screened down for him). The collector is keeping (1) of the MS70's, another is being offered privately to a buddy of this collector and the third coin I placed out on ebay. So, I guess this conclusively answers this question. A few other "goodies" also graded out as well in this collector's batch, but, not my place to discuss them publicly at this point (other than to say - hint, hint - check out my MS Sac Dollar set).

Wondercoin.

Datentype · June 24, 2005 1:38PM

You are an animal Mitch - congrats to all involved! I would sure love to see those coins. From what I have seen and I have seen a lot, there is nothing that is ms70 perfect in my opinion. I'm hoping to make an ms71 run on my batch! Is it the end of their financial quarter or something? I remember when I used to work as a bean counter we sure were looking for sales to prop up the profits and keep the stockholders happy at quarters ending.

wondercoin · June 24, 2005 1:40PM

"I'm hoping to make an ms71 run on my batch!"

Mark: Even you, as good as you are, will have no luck on that!

Wondercoin

CoinFame · June 24, 2005 5:23PM

Congratulations to all involved in finding and breaking the MS70 SF Barrier.

wondercoin · June 25, 2005 12:53AM

Thanks Seth. It should be a very exciting year. As Mark says - true MS70 SF specimens may be few and far apart, but should produce some great "hunts".

Wondercoin.

CoinFame · June 25, 2005 1:24AM

<< Thanks Seth. It should be a very exciting year. As Mark says - true MS70 SF specimens may be few and far apart, but should produce some great "hunts". Wondercoin. >>

I'm inspired.

"True MS70 SF..."

MS70 is a very opinionated grade to begin with, not to mention all the "Put 70 on a 69" grading companies out there.

XXX · June 25, 2005 5:07AM

I knew we would pop some MS70s............There will be more.

Nice job Mitch......I want the next MS70 Sac Hopefully the D Mint to show up in my submissions.

There is a Bison-P in that, looking at the 69s I would say is lock on a 70.

Patience..........Don't you just hate it.

braddick · June 25, 2005 7:28AM

<< I was looking at the pop report of PCGS and never has a business struck coin been graded MS-70 so I don't think it will happen. No no no !!! Greg >>

I'm a little embarassed to admit I thought that any PCGS MS68 State quarters would be improbable, and expensive, but look at this:
Now they can be purchased for less that $20.

I think they'll be tough, but SMS70's will be located.

CoinFame · June 25, 2005 7:37AM

braddick: Don't be so hard on yourself. That particular coin was the most common of the
2004 quarters and there are something like 800 or so in MS68... It sold for $20 because
there are more of that coin than the collectors that want them. There will undoubtedly be
MS68 quarters this year that do the same thing. There will also be some tough MS68's
this year too.

Bochiman · June 25, 2005 4:37PM

<< 

<< I was looking at the pop report of PCGS and never has a business struck coin been graded MS-70 so I don't think it will happen. No no no !!! Greg >>

I'm a little embarassed to admit I thought that any PCGS MS68 State quarters would be improbable, and expensive, but look at this:
<a class=ftalternatingbarlinklarge href="http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&category=41098&item=8313394003" target=blank>Now they can be purchased for less that $20.</A>

I think they'll be tough, but SMS70's will be located. >>

You mean like this Pat?
I bought it for my son's set and I think most of its contemporaries will cost around the same amount....

CoinFame · June 25, 2005 5:03PM

<< There is a Bison-P in that, looking at the 69s I would say is lock on a 70.

>>

XXX: I'll trade you a shiny quarter for your nickel. How about it???

clackamas · June 25, 2005 5:03PM

Not to that I am promoting my auctions but take a look at this Lincoln. It is the current POP 1/0 (I know this will change) but if this coin did not deserve 70 I have no frigin idea what a 70 would take. I made an OR in 69, a Bison in 69, and a CA 69 as well. All were the top coins from 26 mint sets and all were perfection beyond what I would expect from a 70 and still 69. If 70's are made, there will be few and their differences will not be appreciable to the majority of 69's. IMO of course.

PCGS POP 1/0 MS69 2005-P Lincoln cent

mas3387 · June 25, 2005 10:55PM

<< If 70's are made, there will be few and their differences will not be appreciable to the majority of 69's. IMO of course. >>

wondercoin · June 26, 2005 1:30AM

" If 70's are made, there will be few and their differences will not be appreciable to the majority of 69's. IMO of course. "

I also agree with the comment, BUT, how is this different than most other "top pop" coins, classic or modern? Is their an "appreciable" difference between, say for example (purely hypothetical), a 2004(p) Peace Medal nickel in MS67 and one in MS68 that finally upgraded after a half dozen tries? I could list a hundred examples, but I think you get my point.

Wondercoin.

clackamas · June 26, 2005 4:48AM

What I meant was that if someone wins the lottery and makes one it is just going to be a numeric grade. You could take many 69's out put them in the 70 holder and no one would be able to tell the difference, not even PCGS. This, IMO, it not true of say SAE's. My 69's SAE's have a small tick here or there, well hidden of course. The satins I have found and made 69, are perfect. Maybe it will be the rims that make the difference?

mas3387 · June 26, 2005 7:18AM

<< " If 70's are made, there will be few and their differences will not be appreciable to the majority of 69's. IMO of course. " >>

clackamas · June 26, 2005 9:41AM

One thing I did notice on my 69's is that the coins were not centered perfectly, their not bad just not perfect. Maybe if the coins were centered perfectly they would garner 70? Just a thought.

CoinFame · June 26, 2005 3:07PM

<< One thing I did notice on my 69's is that the coins were not centered perfectly, their not bad just not perfect. Maybe if the coins were centered perfectly they would garner 70? Just a thought. >>

Excellent point and it happens to me too every time I get tunnel vision on counting strikes.

jcping · June 27, 2005 12:35AM

WoW, I saw seven MS70SF in PCGS pop report,

1 CA-P
3 MN-P
1 MN-D
2 WV-P

clackamas · June 27, 2005 3:58AM

There is also a western waters P in 70 as well.

CoinFame · June 27, 2005 4:04AM

<< There is also a western waters P in 70 as well. >>

Do you know who has it?

itsnotjustme · June 27, 2005 7:23AM

And a pair of Kennedys!

jcping · July 18, 2005 1:37AM

The pop shows 17 MS70SF now

3 CA-P
1 CA-D
5 MN-P
1 MN-D
5 OR-P
2 WV-P

0 OR-D
0 KS-P
0 KS-D
0 WV-D

ellewood · July 18, 2005 2:39AM

So, the question REALLY is: What has changed at the mint(s) that has allowed for MS70 coins (lincolns, jeffersons, quarters, halves and Sacs) to be struck all of the sudden? Is it that NOTHING has changed and it is the "Satin Finish" itself that helps to cover up any blemishes that would normally be spotted on a business strike coin? I would love to hear people's thoughts....

Do you think there will be MS70 2005 state quarters graded

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