If your a dealer or registry set collector and looking for the most bang for you buck, PCGS as they seem to have the best resale value for a collector who wants slabbed coins without the hassel of joining the "club" ANACS PCI I have not used....
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ANACS PCGS PCI
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In my humble opinion and for what I collect, PCGS and NGC are like comparing apples and apples... and for me, the rest are oranges. Some oranges are just better tasting than others.
The old PCI with the green label was very conservative and up there with the best but no longer exists since being sold and becoming PCI gold.
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- PCGS and NGC tied for first...both have good and bad days in equal measure - ANACS a close second, and first in some areas like early copper (in my opinion)...and in most cases good enough to buy without concern. And best for album collectors because their slabs are so easy to crack. - ICG is third...can make some good rips there if you know what you're looking at the rest
I thought I read somewhere that PCGS, NGC, and NTC were the top 3 sources for grading coins. I know from what I've been told here they are not. Were they ever good?
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Best as far as respect within the industry for accuracy and consistency.
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<< <i>1. ANACS 2. PCGS 3. all the rest including NGC (overgrade on Morgans) >>
I agree, the ugliest MS65 Peace dollar I have is from the Binion collection in an NGC holder. It wouldn't even make 63 at NTC. Only (and last) coin I ever bought sight unseen. I keep it to remind me of what not to do.
<< <i>Why does everybody here have such high regard for ANACS, they are always a grade or 2 too high. - >>
No way. ANACS are generally, in my opinion 1-3 points below NGC or PCGS. They're almost always undergraded, which is actually sad for ANACS. Many buy ANACS for the purpose of cracking and re-submitting to PCGS or NGC and gaing a point or two. That's why ANACS slabs so many, yet you don't really see them that much and they look like they have a small presence in the marketplace.
PCGS for re-sale value ANACS closely tied with NGC for second, Great slab which is easy on my safe deposit box space, attributions, and best of all for Net Grading Problem coins. I despise paying big money for body bags, plus NCS stinks for slabbing because they only give a details grade, I want the graders opinion on how far the damage causes the coin to drop in value. NGC for re-sale value, but their slabs stink because they are too damn tall and they scratch VERY easily! ICG is fine for anything except modern high grade stuff. They can be too conservative, so if you're careful they can be a great slab to get a rip on. I have hopes that one day their re-sale value will rival the big 3. As soon as it does I'll be a big customer.
Huge drop to #5...
PCI Green Label 10 digit serials... Many of these have already been picked clean so be careful. In my opinion, the rest also have rip potentials if you can grade. I have had many great rips from NTC and 1 or 2 from SEGS. I wouldn't pay money to slab anything from anyone #5 and down, their re-sale value stinks.
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ANACS is very conservative with US gold. Also, I've seen them net-grade coins with minor problems that PCGS and NGC would ignore.
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Surprising that NGC is held in such low regard on this forum. I would say: PCGS NGC and a few ICG and ANAC coins. That said there are a few very nice coins found in third tier holders
Look, the gent has asked a question and no one has given him a COMPLETE answer, so here it is, IMHO.
1. PCGS 2. NGC 3. ANACS ( but number one in Variety certification) 4.PCI (old Green lables) 5. SEGS 6. PCI (Gold lables) 7. NNC (a lot of cleaned stuff but not as bad as NTC) 8.ACG 9 NTC
Please note that the only real test is to have the coin in your hand for examination. Some take a chance and buy lesser known slabs to save money, but that happens rarely. Often the coins have problems, and almost all are over graded. Most coins sent in lower tier slabs will cross 2-3 grades lower when sent to PCGS. Therefore I recomend you stay with the top three companies until you get your grading skills honed.
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WaterSport---Where would you put ICG in your list?
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<< <i>Surprising that NGC is held in such low regard on this forum. I would say: PCGS NGC and a few ICG and ANAC coins. That said there are a few very nice coins found in third tier holders >>
I'm equally as surprised ANACS is held in such high regard. I think ANACS deserves it, I just wasn't aware others agree.
I only have submitted to PCGS and ANACS. I regard PCGS as holding the most value at the given grade. I like ANACS just as much, tie for first, but use them when I am not sure of cleaning or other alterations (i.e. don't want to risk a bodybag), and variety attribution. I respect NGC and would place them second in my own personal preference for no special reason other than I like to keep a consistent collection. PCI would be third for me. Same reason as NGC but they don't seem to have as much "street credit" in my opinion.
As has been said by others, I consider all others as raw. Some companies I almost consider less than raw - like the one that legally attacks collectors for pointing out their faults in a forum such as this one.
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Look, trying to put an order to anything after the top 4 is like trying to decide which pig's smell has a sweeter crap stink than the other. Seriously now...
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<< <i>The rest sight seen only and only if priced according to the actual grade of the coin. >>
Personally, I wish this applied more often to PCGS and NGC as well. Too many low for the grade pieces are priced at strong levels for these two, IMO.
My ranking:
#1 PCGS and ANACS (PCGS usually most consistent, ANACS pretty tight on circulated 19th century, plus attributions are unparalleled) #2 NGC (I find too many ugly for the grade pieces, even though technically there) #3 ICG, old label PCI, SEGS (sight seen and only if priced accordingly)
All the rest I'll only take the chance if verification of authenticity is not an issue, and it's priced according to what the coin grades, not what the holder says. Very few other services coins make the cut very often.
There's a few TPG's that haven't been listed yet that may qualify as best for some submitters...
MCCS, SGS, PGS and Gallery Grading Company are all about equally great if you are looking for MS/PR 68-70 graded coins. A big plus for MCCS is the toilet bowl slabs.
Don't expect that any coins in those holders will cross to respectable (ie. PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG) TPG's at anywhere near the same grade (or even as authentic, or even to cross at all vs. being body-bagged), nor is it likely that any even remotely knowledgeable person would agree they are accurately graded... but, if you're looking for someone to grade all your coins as (near) perfect (even if they aren't), these are the TPG's you'll want to use.
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Close second: NGC or ANACS
Old PCI: Great to score upgrades
All others including PCI: Ignore (Treat as raw)
Tom
for a collector who wants slabbed coins without the hassel of joining the "club" ANACS
PCI I have not used....
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ANACS
PCGS
PCI
ANACS
NGC
ICG
All the rest---treat as raw
The old PCI with the green label was very conservative and up there with the best but no longer exists since being sold and becoming PCI gold.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
"Paper money eventually returns to its intrinsic value---zero."----Voltaire
"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
- ANACS a close second, and first in some areas like early copper (in my opinion)...and in most cases good enough to buy without concern. And best for album collectors because their slabs are so easy to crack.
- ICG is third...can make some good rips there if you know what you're looking at
the rest
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<< <i>List the coin grading companies from best to worst
Best for the submitter or best for the end user? >>
Best as far as respect within the industry for accuracy and consistency.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
ANACS
PCGS
NGC
SEGS
PCI
but don't let the holder keep you from "buying the coin"
When I'm selling....PCGS
In between and for slab design....NGC
Looking for alot of crap.
<< <i>So never buy NTC coins or any other grading service's not listed >>
Well, at least pay for the coin inside the NTC holder, disregarding what the label says.
2. NGC
3. ANACS
4. PCI...green label only, with 10 digit serial number.
5. IGC
6. SEGS
What do you mean by "accuracy"? Seriously.
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I would list them as:
1. PCGS
2. PCI...green label only, with 10 digit serial number.
3. IGC
4. NGC
5. ANACS
6. SEGS
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<< <i>Why does everybody here have such high regard for ANACS, they are always a grade or 2 too high. >>
First of all, this has never been true in my opinion. I think ANACS is, overall, the most consistent of the bunch.
Secondly, tell that to someone who submits moderns. They'll laugh in your face at the suggestion that ANACS is too loose.
pcgs (1b)
ngc (2)
old green label pci (3)
icg (4)
Everything else is just a blur of sound and fury, signifying not a whole lot....
<< <i>Why does everybody here have such high regard for ANACS, they are always a grade or 2 too high.
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Thats not my experience. I have personally crossed an undesignated NGC 64 peace top 50 Vam into an ANACS 63 holder.
2. PCGS
3. all the rest including NGC (overgrade on Morgans)
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i only do it with good pictures, adjust the grades accordingly, realize it may not holder in a major, and pay much lower
I would consiuder paying 65 money for your nickel if i saw it in auction
unless that is purple toning and would probably not buy from picture due to probability of AT
<< <i>1. ANACS
2. PCGS
3. all the rest including NGC (overgrade on Morgans) >>
I agree, the ugliest MS65 Peace dollar I have is from the Binion collection in an NGC holder. It wouldn't even make 63 at NTC. Only (and last) coin I ever bought sight unseen. I keep it to remind me of what not to do.
ICG
SEGS
ANACS
NGC
2. Old Green Label PCI
3. ICG
4. ACG/SEGS/etc......
Just My Opinion.
<< <i>Why does everybody here have such high regard for ANACS, they are always a grade or 2 too high.
- >>
No way. ANACS are generally, in my opinion 1-3 points below NGC or PCGS. They're almost always undergraded, which is actually sad for ANACS. Many buy ANACS for the purpose of cracking and re-submitting to PCGS or NGC and gaing a point or two. That's why ANACS slabs so many, yet you don't really see them that much and they look like they have a small presence in the marketplace.
Looking for alot of crap.
PCGS- somewhat consistent
NGC- like Avis- trying to be #1
ICG- ??????- 4
anything else- is garbage
ANACS closely tied with NGC for second, Great slab which is easy on my safe deposit box space, attributions, and best of all for Net Grading Problem coins. I despise paying big money for body bags, plus NCS stinks for slabbing because they only give a details grade, I want the graders opinion on how far the damage causes the coin to drop in value.
NGC for re-sale value, but their slabs stink because they are too damn tall and they scratch VERY easily!
ICG is fine for anything except modern high grade stuff. They can be too conservative, so if you're careful they can be a great slab to get a rip on. I have hopes that one day their re-sale value will rival the big 3. As soon as it does I'll be a big customer.
Huge drop to #5...
PCI Green Label 10 digit serials... Many of these have already been picked clean so be careful.
In my opinion, the rest also have rip potentials if you can grade. I have had many great rips from NTC and 1 or 2 from SEGS. I wouldn't pay money to slab anything from anyone #5 and down, their re-sale value stinks.
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I would say:
PCGS
NGC
and a few ICG and ANAC coins.
That said there are a few very nice coins found in third tier holders
1. PCGS
2. NGC
3. ANACS ( but number one in Variety certification)
4.PCI (old Green lables)
5. SEGS
6. PCI (Gold lables)
7. NNC (a lot of cleaned stuff but not as bad as NTC)
8.ACG
9 NTC
Please note that the only real test is to have the coin in your hand for examination. Some take a chance and buy lesser known slabs to save money, but that happens rarely. Often the coins have problems, and almost all are over graded. Most coins sent in lower tier slabs will cross 2-3 grades lower when sent to PCGS. Therefore I recomend you stay with the top three companies until you get your grading skills honed.
Worry is the interest you pay on a debt you may not owe.
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"Everything you say should be true, but not everything true should be said."----Voltaire
Tier 2: ICG
Tier 3: All others
JMO
<< <i>Surprising that NGC is held in such low regard on this forum. I would say: PCGS NGC and a few ICG and ANAC coins. That said there are a few very nice coins found in third tier holders >>
I'm equally as surprised ANACS is held in such high regard. I think ANACS deserves it, I just wasn't aware others agree.
My order as a Collector:
NGC
PCGS
ANACS
SEGS
PCI
As a Seller:
NGC
PCGS
ANACS
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I regard PCGS as holding the most value at the given grade.
I like ANACS just as much, tie for first, but use them when I am not sure of cleaning or other alterations (i.e. don't want to risk a bodybag), and variety attribution.
I respect NGC and would place them second in my own personal preference for no special reason other than I like to keep a consistent collection.
PCI would be third for me. Same reason as NGC but they don't seem to have as much "street credit" in my opinion.
As has been said by others, I consider all others as raw. Some companies I almost consider less than raw - like the one that legally attacks collectors for pointing out their faults in a forum such as this one.
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NGC
ANACS
ICG
The rest sight seen only and only if priced according to the actual grade of the coin.
<< <i>Why does everybody here have such high regard for ANACS, they are always a grade or 2 too high >>
Nonsense. I've cracked out quite a few and sent to PCGS. The majority crossed. I had a few downgrade, but by one point only.
<< <i>The rest sight seen only and only if priced according to the actual grade of the coin. >>
Personally, I wish this applied more often to PCGS and NGC as well. Too many low for the grade pieces are priced at strong levels for these two, IMO.
My ranking:
#1 PCGS and ANACS (PCGS usually most consistent, ANACS pretty tight on circulated 19th century, plus attributions are unparalleled)
#2 NGC (I find too many ugly for the grade pieces, even though technically there)
#3 ICG, old label PCI, SEGS (sight seen and only if priced accordingly)
All the rest I'll only take the chance if verification of authenticity is not an issue, and it's priced according to what the coin grades, not what the holder says. Very few other services coins make the cut very often.
<< <i>Best for the submitter >>
There's a few TPG's that haven't been listed yet that may qualify as best for some submitters...
MCCS, SGS, PGS and Gallery Grading Company are all about equally great if you are looking for MS/PR 68-70 graded coins.
A big plus for MCCS is the toilet bowl slabs.
Don't expect that any coins in those holders will cross to respectable (ie. PCGS, NGC, ANACS, ICG) TPG's at anywhere near the same grade (or even as authentic, or even to cross at all vs. being body-bagged), nor is it likely that any even remotely knowledgeable person would agree they are accurately graded... but, if you're looking for someone to grade all your coins as (near) perfect (even if they aren't), these are the TPG's you'll want to use.
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