1967 topps vs 1957 topps WAR!
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Discuss, what are views from the set builders and admirers alike? SIZE DOES MATTER! How big are the sets comparatively? Also, rookies and stars. Please discuss!
Both full card photos, but 57 is dark backgrounds, 67 is light backgrounds.
Both full card photos, but 57 is dark backgrounds, 67 is light backgrounds.
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key rookies of brooks robinson and frank robinson along with SP's of Tony Kubek and Bobby Richardson highlight the set....PLUS..the first TOPPS multiplayer cards feature who else...dodgers and yankees.....
A TRUE CLASSIC
loth
And '67 Topps has Carew and Seaver rookies.
Of course, '57 also has Drysdale, Bunning, and Mazeroski rookies.
For set design and card appeal, it's '67 all the way for me. Half the '57 Topps set looks like it was photgraphed at night without a flash.
Nick
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1957 TOPPS Total cards graded...89,114
PSA 8... 27,801
PSA 9... 2,130
PSA 10... 90
1967 TOPPS Total cards graded...60,854
PSA 8... 21,753
PSA 9... 5,591
PSA 10.... 130
1967 Topps Baseball cards are much easier to find in high grade...10% of 1967 cards are graded PSA 9 or 10 as compared to 3% of 1957 Topps cards. Similarly, over half of all 1967 Topps cards are graded PSA 8, while only 30% of the 1957's are at that grade level. So from the angle of "collecting challenge" there is no contest.
Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
loth
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<< <i>Although Robinson did start a fight at 70 years old the other night with Scoscia! >>
Robinson by triangle choke
Both are in the now "standard " size which did begin with the 1957 set.
Photo technology and quality, had improved a bit by 1967 therefore the cards should be a little more "sharp" overall than the 57s. Also check the last series from the 57 set, many cards looked like color-overs of black and white pictures, not even close to the fine shots from the first two series.
Regarding the "collecting challenge" or percent of higher graded examples, the sets' realative size and age must be considered. 407 in 57 and 202 more for the 67s.
The 57 set has around 250 common-semistars worth about 7 to 10 dollars in raw NM condition.
The 67 set has around 450 common-semistars worth about 2 to 6 dollars in raw NM condition.
So......without regard for superstars and rare series cards, the 67 PSA submitter must be much more concerned with condition than the 57 submitter. A 67 common better have a chance at a 9 or a real solid 8 to have much economical value. The 57 person can hope for a 7 maybe get by on a 6 to get a little return value.
In other words, in most cases, the submitter of 57s is not looking for or needing as high a grade, and will submit more marginal cards than a 67 one would. So a higher percentage of 9s and 10s for 67s should be expected. A 77 submitter should probably be even more particular and have a higher percentage of 9s and 10s than the 67 submitter.
In total the 67 set has 609 chances, about 50% more, than the 57s 407 chances to get a 9 or 10. So it should be expected to have more 9s and 10s than the 57 set. The ten years less exposure to card handling also adds to the additional high grade copies.
The lead-off card for 67 is outstanding, Frank and Brooks Robinson, it ends with a fine Tommy John example. But for real class, 1957 starts with Ted Williams and finishes with Mantle and Berra.
My pick, it has to be the 1957 Topps.
<< <i>Two really nice looking sets from the "Bubble gum vintage" era of 1951 thru 1980.
Whoa, how dare you TAG what I collect as vintage. I have my eyes on you pal , If my rep gets ruined as a result of this thread I WILL SUE !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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.............so when ya going to open some packs up Rip???
The 57s look dark and gray, might as well be black and white pictures.
Stingray
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loth
I do not disagree with the view that many 1957s look like they were photographed at night without a flash...and that all of the 1960s sets, esp. 1967, have very clear and bright photographs. However, I believe the 1957s offer a phenomenal snapshot of a classic period in baseball. Take a look at 4 things that makes the 1957 set stand out, esp. over the 1960s:
1. The Classic 1950s style uniforms
2. The backdrop of many photos showing parts of classic stadiums
3. The presence of Brooklyn Dodgers and New York Giants players and teams
4. The height of the great New York Yankees dynasty and its players
And what makes 1957 stand out among the years around them is the full-card photo that shows each of those things better (as oppose to clipping out the player against a colored or cropped background).
I would rank 1967 as the best designed set of the 1960s but by then, the Yankees were gone, expansion and new impersonal stadiums have started, and the focus shifting to the west coast vs east coast media war all makes 1957 a more nostalgic and classical set.
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Next thing you know card #2 will hit card #280 and card # 393 will report 2 years later that #2 was geniunely sorry he
hit #280.
1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
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"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso
These two sets are among the most popular for good reason. All the virtues mentioned previously are true, chiefly the clean design, harkening back to the '53 Bowman look, and the great player selection.
I'm glad I'm not the only one who pays attention to the stadium backdrops on cards. One of my favorite things about the '64 Ernie Banks is the staggered design of the left field pavillion in Connie Mack Stadium, visible behind him.
Each one has it's benefits and special 'things' about them. I like the '67 for the 'crispness' of the photos, yet I love the '57s for the time machine effect that it has for me.
Both of them are very simple designs and very pleasing to the eyes....the '57, in my opinion, has a better rookie crop but you can put up Tom Seaver, Rod Carew & others against just about any other set of its time.
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<< <i>^ Even with Minoso having such a gorgeous card in the '57 set?q]
Yeah if you can find one that wasn't cut with a hacksaw and a blurred photo.
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1967 Topps PSA 8+
1960's Topps run Mega Set
"For me, playing baseball has been like a war and I was defending the uniform I wore, Every time I put on the uniform I respected it like the American flag. I wore it like I was representing every Latin country."--Minnie Minoso