If you could buy 1 card for SMR what would it be?

iamthegreatcornholio · June 10, 2005 10:17AM

I'm predictable - 1965 Charlie Smith PSA 9. SMR is $65, and it's probably a $3,000+ card. What other some other undervalued cards?

Brian

Axtell · June 10, 2005 10:23AM

Not to that extreme, but a 1985 Walter Payton PSA 10. SMR is $400, whereas a 9 sells for $250 regularly. Since there are no 10s, if one were to surface, I think there's no limit to how high it would go...easily in excess of a grand.

mudflap02 · June 10, 2005 10:26AM

1988 Topps Nolan Ryan - SMR is $25. There's only one, and it's bounced around between JonB and myself for quite a bit more than $25. If he would be willing to sell it back at SMR, I would take him up on it.

Stone193 · June 10, 2005 11:35AM

Brian
You can throw away the SMR on any of the T3's!

mike

mudflap02 · June 10, 2005 11:45AM

You can pretty much throw away the SMR period (except of course for Kevin's articles).

crsportscards33 · June 10, 2005 11:58AM

1962 Topps Frank Robinson PSA 8. SMR is around 575, and the card sells for over 2000.

ctsoxfan · June 10, 2005 1:34PM

Another fairly minor example - 1978 Topps Nolan Ryan PSA 9. SMR = $140.00, card sells for anywhere from $350-$500, depending on who is crazy enough to pay that much.

54topps · June 10, 2005 1:43PM

1976-77 OPC Bryan Trottier PSA 9. There has never been a 9 graded. SMR on a 9 is $145.00. In a 9 this card would easily sell for over $1,000 IMO.

julen23 · June 10, 2005 2:14PM

1969 Topps PSA 8 #82 Lou Brock SMR $140, yea right and Darth Vader was actually a nice guy.

Julen

Axtell · June 10, 2005 2:35PM

I think the SMR is pretty close for a lot of stuff, but there are always going to be low-pop examples that make it appear otherwise.

How would you gauge the price for a card 2 (or more collectors) hotly bid up in an auction?

athleticsfan · June 10, 2005 4:34PM

1961 Topps #523 Joe Gibbon PSA 9 SMR $200

One sold on eBay recently for $2000+

Cubfan · June 10, 2005 8:56PM

1964 Topps Giants PSA 9 Brinkman, Romano and Boyer.

None of the 3 are even listed on the SMR, so the value is less than $65.

The Brinkman and Romano each sold for over $500 recently. The Boyer has about half of the population of the other two so who knows what that would bring.

sayheykid54 · June 10, 2005 9:29PM

1932 U.S. Caramel TY COBB Psa 7 card which has a SMR price of $3500.00. I think that the price is resonable for this rare beauty.

MorrellMan · June 10, 2005 10:37PM

1959 Morrell Meats Sandy Koufax

PSA 5 - SMR = $130; two raw cards sold for $1500 a piece last year
PSA 6 - SMR = $200; doesn't exist, probably would fetch 3 to 4 grand
PSA 8 - SMR = $650; doesn't exist, fugedaboudit

jrdolan · June 11, 2005 3:46AM

1971 Topps Greatest Moments Johnny Bench PSA 9, if the sole example were to ever come on the market. The last time SMR updated '71 TGM (several years ago?) this card was listed at $950 and has rested there ever since. Perhaps that's what the one example sold for sometime in the 1990s. But I had to pay $500+ for my PSA 7, which is listed in SMR for a truly amusing $185, and has done so ever since I returned to the hobby a year and a half ago. I guess these come up for sale too seldom to justify any tracking or updates.

Anyway, if the PSA 9 were to hit the market I think it would sell for 3X SMR. If I didn't win it, I'd be the underbidder.

bobsbbcards · June 11, 2005 6:44AM

1968 Topps 3-D Boog Powell PSA 9. SMR is $1,200. You could put a PSA 4 out there and get $1,200. This is the same price as Willie Davis, Ron Fairly, and Jim Maloney. Powell is (arguably) the most difficult card to get in this set and a PSA 9 would easily bring $5,000+.

MorrellMan · June 11, 2005 6:51AM

well jeez Bob, I think we're talking about cards that the normal everyday human being has a chance of seeing in their lifetime....not the stuff you collect.

Edited to add a smiley face; don't want you stepping on any dice game cards....

jrdolan · June 11, 2005 8:28AM

<< <i>well jeez Bob, I think we're talking about cards that the normal everyday human being has a chance of seeing in their lifetime....not the stuff you collect.

>>

Good point! By the way, MM, I saw a stack of '59 Morrell Koufaxes at my last show.

MorrellMan · June 11, 2005 8:36AM

JR - funny how the heart races even when the head says no way....

jackstraw · June 11, 2005 10:28AM

I would buy lets see? 1954 Topps Milt Schmidt in a PSA 8 for 600 might be a nice buy but if you go over one column I might take a 9 for 1500?If nobody can find those 2? I would then take a creamy white 1955 Parkhurst Maurice Richard in an 8 for 850. Once that is not found I will then take a 57 Parkhurst Bob Pulford in an 8 for 250 but if you find it in a 9 I will then take the pair for a whooping 650!

BigRedMachine · June 11, 2005 1:02PM

Those are some fascinating examples of how far off the SMR can be. And you guys like to give the Beckett price guide a hard time?

Just wondering if anyone has emailed PSA to let them know of your experiences? I noticed a place on their website recently inviting you to "help" them if you noticed any prices that were off. Anyone tried? Did it help? Was there an adjustment?

Reason I ask is this. I had been trying to buy a Phil Simms PSA 9 rookie card on the Bay, SMR is 42 I believe. Four or five went by over the course of a month and all sold for $65 +. So I emailed PSA and told them they were off a little. I received a return email thanking me for my input.

Problem is, instead of receiving an SMR this month I received the letter saying my subscription had run out and it's time to rejoin. So I haven't seen.

Any chance the Phil Simms rookie went up in price this month? If so I'm impressed. If not, I'm guessing they could care less that guys like me try to offer any help.

MarkLee · June 11, 2005 1:17PM

1980 Topps #225 Phil Simms (R) in PSA 9 is at 55+ this month.

BigRedMachine · June 11, 2005 11:29PM

No kidding?

I'm truly impressed. After I sent the message, I received an email that "looked" like it came from Joe Orlando's mailbox thanking me for my input. I'm sure that was just a hoax but it seems like someone at the other end will look into any information they receive.

So for all of you who see cards selling for drastically different prices than listed in SMR, send them a note (I added three different eBay auction links to verify the card I was trying to buy couldn't be had for $42). After all, there are billions of cards out there, they can probably use all the help they can get.

Lothar52 · June 11, 2005 11:46PM

i just bought this one for SMR......YEEEEHAW!!

jrdolan · June 12, 2005 2:03AM

Lothar, that's a beauty and perfectly centered. I have an 8 that might have better corners, but it's 60/40 with a slight tilt and doesn't look as nice as yours overall. Congrats.

Here's another one: 1981 Topps #600 Johnny Bench, SMR $12 for PSA 9 and $160 for PSA 10. The latter doesn't exist, and the former sells at 5X SMR -- and that's a drastic decline from 18 months ago! When the pop was extremely low, the PSA 9 sold for $300 or more. Then it dropped to about $150 and kept slipping from there as cool-stuff-fast (formerly Gus) and 4SC popped their '81 vending cases. Now it sells for $50 or $60, as I believe the pop is still less than 20 for PSA 9. Centering and print defects are a nightmare on this card. (Bad position on the sheet?)

Through it all, from $300 to $60, SMR has remained blissfully ignorant at $12. Since none have ever been graded PSA 10, I don't know how they came up with $160. And yes, I have e-mailed PSA about it.

If you could buy 1 card for SMR what would it be?

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