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The envelope looks brand new.

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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    And you can tell this how, Russ? The font? The paper?

    Educate us.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    TrinkettsTrinketts Posts: 1,699 ✭
    How many 1964 Out of every 20 auctions on Ebay would you say are truly unopened Russ?
    Either write something worth reading or do something worth writing about. -Benjamin Franklin-
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    Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭
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    Not even close to the 1964 US Treasury font. Kind of like the fake Bush National Guard letter!!!
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I thought the font might be a bit funky, but to be honest, I haven't messed with too many cello-and-envelope-era proof sets.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>And you can tell this how, Russ? The font? The paper? >>



    Both the font and the paper. The font is wrong, and the type too large. The paper has no signs of aging. An original envelope that has sat with coins in it for over 40 years develops diagonal fade lines. Like this one:

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    Plus, the 1964 envelopes (real ones) have the zip code on them.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
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    whoopigwhoopig Posts: 151
    Here is an actual envelope for comparison.

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    ms70ms70 Posts: 13,957 ✭✭✭✭✭

    Wouldn't that be a bit more of a serious offense than just an eBay violation?
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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Wouldn't that be a bit more of a serious offense than just an eBay violation? >>



    Amazingly enough, there is no law against printing these envelopes or repacking sets in them.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,440 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Aha.

    Thanks. With the comparison pics, it's obvious. I thought I noticed somethin' a bit "off", but it wouldn't have rung any bells with me. Like I said, I haven't messed with old proof sets enough to have noticed that right off. Maybe in hand I would've noticed the new envelope or the color being wrong.




    << <i>Wouldn't that be a bit more of a serious offense than just an eBay violation? >>



    Now there's an interesting question. Maybe the Mint would like to know that somebody is counterfeiting their old envelopes! Perhaps Uncle Sam would have something to say on the subject...

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    JRoccoJRocco Posts: 14,277 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Dayum Russ- You are good at what you do...
    Some coins are just plain "Interesting"
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    Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭


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    << <i>Wouldn't that be a bit more of a serious offense than just an eBay violation? >>



    Amazingly enough, there is no law against printing these envelopes or repacking sets in them.

    Russ, NCNE >>



    Check out Vernon Coin's ebay auctions -- their bread and butter is selling new proof set envelopes (for do-it-yourself re-packers) for $2 each. I'll bet they pay 5 cents each to whoever prints the envelopes for them!!
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    HeywoodHeywood Posts: 1,246 ✭✭✭
    What is with the "Philadelphia 30, PA " ?


    A witty saying proves nothing- Voltaire (1694 - 1778)



    An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor

    does the truth become error because nobody will see it. -Mohandas K. Gandhi (1869-1948)
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    Coinhusker1Coinhusker1 Posts: 3,560 ✭


    << <i>What is with the "Philadelphia 30, PA " ? >>



    Before zips codes, large cities were divided into wards by the postal service (i.e. ward 30 in Philly). Whoever made that enevelope stupidly did not know zip codes were in effect in 1964.
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    lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,440 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Check out Vernon Coin's ebay auctions -- their bread and butter is selling new proof set envelopes (for do-it-yourself re-packers) for $2 each. I'll bet they pay 5 cents each to whoever prints the envelopes for them!! >>



    Linky

    Hm.

    Sure enough, a 1964 envelope with the old "30" postal code.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

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    RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>What is with the "Philadelphia 30, PA " ? >>



    Zip codes came in to use in late 1963. Prior to 1964, the envelopes had no zip code, but said that on them.

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    Russ, NCNE
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    gilgil Posts: 988
    I went online and did a little research, before 1963 there were 2 digit zip codes to identify a city. The following is off the history of zip codes. being this took place in 1963, the mint may have used envelopes for 1964.

    Over the years, a number of potential coding programs had been examined and discarded. Finally, in 1963, the Department selected a system advanced by department officials, and, on April 30, 1963, Postmaster General John A. Gronouski announced that the ZIP Code would begin on July 1, 1963.

    What do you think ? HMMMMMMMMM


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