Seller is offering compensation for error listing

1bbnerd

I won, paid, and received a '64 Topps Ernie Banks. As soon as I got the card, I looked at it closely and there are these white blotches on the cheek (left side on the card), obvious visible defects. The corners aren't perfect either. Anyway, I sent the seller an email stating that the card was not as described and asked for compensation or a refund. The replied they would compensate me. I was thinking about a $10 compensation as I paid $25 thinking this card was perfect as described. What do you think is fair?

You asked:
"The card isn't as described in the auction. It has flaws (dots) on the left cheek of Ernie Banks. It is definitely not nrmt to mint. At best, it is Ex-NrMt. I don't suppose you will compensate me or offer my money back, will you?"

I can compensate you. I apoligize. PLMK how you want to proceed. Thanks.

5200328280 Ernie Banks 1964 topps nrmt to mint! #55 cubs auction

Stone193

1bb
You bought the card with a very weak scan and raw to boot - this situation was bound to cause you some disatisfaction - raw on ebay without a really good scan is not a good idea at best - I would only buy raw from someone that I knew very well.

There are guys who advertise in SCD every week who routinely overgrade their cards by 1 to 2 grades and one has to adjust accordingly - there is one seller who states: "cards so clean, you can eat off them" - like I would?

mike

edit: I forgot to answer that part 1bb - if you hate the card and off-grade - ask him to take it back if you don't like it.

lostdart58

If you are happy with a $10 discount then by all means go for it.

A lesson should be learned by the seller to put in a better (and individual) scan for his items. A nice large scan would have shown the flaws you describe and made the buyer aware of what he was buying.

pandrews

id say whatever the seller offers you is fair.. personally, i probably wouldnt even have said anything to the guy and as Mike said, just chalked it up to the gamble of buying raw on ebay.. yes, there are still raw gems to be found, but not very often..

baseballfanatic

You can pave a road from Maine to California with raw cards advertised as NM/M or "pristine" that come back from PSA in a 5 holder.....

pandrews

and also, the seller sounds like a good guy so far, he apologized and the ball is now in your court..

1bbnerd

Well, I asked him if he agrees, to credit my PayPal account $10, and then I will provide positive feedback on the transaction.

Sellers are not supposed to mis-represent what they are selling (we all know it happens all the time). Yes, sure I could chalk it up as another lesson, but that's not the point. The point is the auction describes the card as 'No visible flaws and should grade out high'. If it's not as described, then this is the seller's error. I would agree if that it was my fault if the description didn't state anything about the quality and only had a very basic description. This auction is considered false advertising and deception to command a higher sale where it clearly isn't warranted.

1bbnerd

It states he'd refund money as shown in this auction for a '65 Willie Mays. I think he didn't look at the Ernie Banks card out of the sleeve, and probably thought the blotches were in the plastic, but who knows for sure.

Boopotts

My golden rule is to never, under any circumstances, buy raw cards with a $5+ value from people who also sell slabbed cards. If it was that nice he would have gotten it graded himself.

True, this seller misrepresented his card. But you'll save yourself a ton of headaches if you do a feeback search on any seller that you're thinking of buying raw cards from. If you see any PSA or BGS slabbed cards in his past auction results just drive on.

MorrellMan

get Perry to kick his ass.

brianwintersfan

All I can say 1bbnerd is you need to slow down and focus before you hit the bid button.Every day on these boards you are having issues.Today it's Ernie Banks and yesterday it was a Pro graded Hank Aaron rookie.I see you have been on Ebay for 6 years but I'm not sure how long you have been collecting.You may want to take a deep breath before you start bidding on this stuff.I mean the Banks I can maybe understand but a Pro graded Aaron rookie??
Just my .02 cents

pandrews

donnnster

pandrews, haha i saw that UFC fight. btw, where do u find all these video clips? i am still haunted by that one where the guys leg breaks and he crumbles to the ground...

Boopotts

I'd agree with Brian-- if these last two auctions are any indication it looks like you're trying to get 'something for nothing' off the 'bay, which is a dangerous way to travel.

There are bargains on Ebay, but you're looking in the wrong places.

goudeygold

PATIENCE...

GG

jrdolan

You're not seriously expecting to get a "perfect" '64 Banks worth $900 for only $25, are you? Even if it would only grade EX 5 you didn't overpay by much. That PRO Aaron rookie, on the other hand .... I agree with the others who say: Slow down and absorb these lessons, take a breath, then shop smart. It will be much more fun that way, instead of feeling like you got screwed every time.

brianwintersfan

Well after looking at what he is bidding on I suspect he might be new to collecting and is suffering from the "I want it all" syndrome.I mean from a '64 Mantle to an Ichiro rookie his auctions are all over the place.I'm not picking on him and if he has the money to burn then God bless.
I think that many on this board are more then willing to help but you have to ask for it before you bid and before you pay.Anything after the fact is kind of a waste of time and doesn't really help you out.

SDavid

George Foreman said it best - where there's smoke, there's usually just a lot of smoke.

Avoid any raw card off ebay that has a lot of hype and you'll be much happier. I've gotten several gem mint quality cards off ebay from newer issues, but they all had level headed, down to earth descriptions. I learned quickly that the "flawless, should grade a 10" cards were typically the worst conditioned cards out there...or they were trimmed.

Unfortunately, the positive auctions I described above are rare. A lot of ebayers equate marketing with lying. Sad but true.