Scammer hoss4321 returns
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I think we got him NARUed before - if at first you don't succeed, try & try again. Help report his stuff! What does it take to get NARUed permanently?
hoss4321
I'm surprised that some of the people with high feedback would actually bid on this junk.
Collecting all things Pittsburgh.
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Out of all of those your safest buy is the GEM LeBron
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Stingray
<< <i>I AM NOT A COLLECTOR OF THE OLDER CARDS MYSELF AND KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THEM. THIS CARD HAS NOT BEEN GRADED THERE FOR IT IS BEING SOLD AS IS ALL SALES ARE FINAL. I CAN NOT SAY FOR CERTAIN IF IT IS A REPRINT OR NOT. >>
Wow - not exactly a vote of confidence, is it?
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
It says right there in the auction description that the seller 'doesn't know' if it's a real card. C'mon, now-- you think if he' found these in his Dad's collection it would have even occured to him to make that disclaimer?
You've got to be a stone moron to bid on one of these cards. And you know what they say about a fool and his money...
<< <i>I AM NOT A COLLECTOR OF THE OLDER CARDS MYSELF AND KNOW VERY LITTLE ABOUT THEM. THIS CARD HAS NOT BEEN GRADED THERE FOR IT IS BEING SOLD AS IS ALL SALES ARE FINAL. I CAN NOT SAY FOR CERTAIN IF IT IS A REPRINT OR NOT. >>
This statement violates the Authenticity Disclaimer Rule and is grounds for having the item removed from ebay IMO.
mike
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<< <i>I'm totally in love with these scams. If you can get 100$ for a reprint then God bless you.
It says right there in the auction description that the seller 'doesn't know' if it's a real card. C'mon, now-- you think if he' found these in his Dad's collection it would have even occured to him to make that disclaimer?
You've got to be a stone moron to bid on one of these cards. And you know what they say about a fool and his money... >>
So you don't think confidence games should be illegal? Fraud is the victims's fault?
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Whuh? How is this a confidence game? If someone comes up to you on the street and says: "I've got a Rolex here I'll sell you for $20 bucks-the only thing is, I can't guarantee it's a real Rolex" how it can it be anyone's fault BUT the buyer's if it turns out to be fake?
Remind me if we meet, not to buy a watch from you. I guess " ethics" are no longer part of human nature.
<< <i>You've got to be a stone moron to bid on one of these cards. And you know what they say about a fool and his money... >>
alright now, dont talk about Stone like that..
or did you mean "stoned"?.. dont talk about me either..
but i agree.. anybody who bids on that after reading the description, shows definite signs of low intelligence..
Edited for grammar; the unedited version is Mike's post below.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
<< <i>I'm totally in love with these scams. If you can get 100$ for a reprint then God bless you.
It says right there in the auction description that the seller 'doesn't know' if it's a real card. C'mon, now-- you think if he' found these in his Dad's collection it would have even occured to him to make that disclaimer?
You've got to be a stone moron to bid on one of these cards. And you know what they say about a fool and his money... >>
Boo
Thanx for those profound words of wisdom.
Stone
<< <i>This saw has been played back and forth since ebay began. Once and for all, the Rolex analogy does not work. first off, ebay verbiage, from title to description is not the same as someone coming up to on the street and stating facts. The ebayy scam relies upon calling it a Rolex in the title, which is the foremost attention-getting part of an internet auction and then placing a disclaimer in ebay's equivalent of "the fine print" somewhere in the description. Only the most experienced buyers (meaning "having gotten screwed before") read every description. If your position is that only a fool (who deserves getting screwed) is the one not reading "the fine print", you're definitely someone that I would never want to do business with. And when I say "you", I am not referring to anyone specifically, but rather making a general statement, based upon my idea of ethical business practices. >>
Very good words Mark!
We could debate the idea of whether someone who is trying to get something for nothing gets what they deserve but there are laws to protect people "from themselves" as well as others.
Taking money for something, even tho stating the obvious - as in these ebays - begs the issue of deceit - the truth is that they are "implying" that this is real but "I'm not an expert" - this is called Larseny by Trickery - where someone "acquires/steals" something, i.e. in this case "releaves them of their money" -
by "deception"
So, in this way, "larceny by trickery," the law recognizes that a "choice" resulting from deception is not freely made.
Boo
Not everyone is as sharp or well versed as yourself and needs help and protection. I don't think you would want your mom or grandmother to be swindled out of their life's savings using this commonplace, albeit, cowardous method of doing business.
mike
<< <i>It is not ok to cheat stupid people. Fraud and deception continue to damage the collectibles market everyday. Every established collector will ultimately pay a financial price for these frauds as the resale market shrinks; absent new collectors, prices will retreat hard. Cards and stamps are being particulary hard hit by the kind of RICO nonsense that online aution-sites continue to profit from. Only government action will solve the problem. >>
Good words CD
I was approaching the philosophical aspect of greed and theft.
The practical part is the destruction of public confidence in the collectibles hobby and everytime someone relatively new makes a rash and perhaps "weak" decision that leads to the purchase of crap - only bad will happen - they are turned off by the hobby or it "converts" them into one of them!
Oh and BTW, Welcome to the Boards!
Good start!
mike
Idiotic argument. That's like saying the old ladies that get taken from phone scams and give their bank account info deserve it. They just don't know any better. That doesn't mean they deserve to lose all their money. When a seller completely makes up a story about an item that isn't authentic and qualifies it by saying that they aren't and expert and don't know about it's authenticity, he's clearly trying to mislead potential buyers. Say you just got back into collecting and didn't know they counterfeited cards like a 52 Matthews, you'd have no idea that it was potentially fake. Also, you think he found that Lebron he's got for sale in his father's trunk?
This guy's complete scum and should be kicked in the face. Then he should be spit in the face while he's on the ground. No wait.... Someone should spit on their foot then kick him in the face with the spit foot. Then he'd be in pain and have spit in his face.
Lee
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This guy's complete scum and should be kicked in the face. Then he should be spit in the face while he's on the ground. No wait.... Someone should spit on their foot then kick him in the face with the spit foot. Then he'd be in pain and have spit in his face.
Lee >>
I fail to see any meaningful distinction.
No, it's not the same. And you know it. Say one of these phone scammers gets 5 years in jail. Would you also be willing to give 'hoss1234', or whoever, the same 5 hard years in prison? Are Pablo Escobar and the local pot peddler 'the same', since they're both 'dealing drugs'?
C'mon, dude. As with everything else in life you measure this stuff in terms of severity. Scams, like everything else, exist on a scale. At one end there's Enron and Arthur Andersen, and at the other there's the kid who asks his mom for $40 to buy a pair of shoes, when he knows the shoes only cost $30. When you evaluate the reprint scam on a scale I don't think the reprint scam is all that big of a deal. Sorry. Since I'm not stupid enough to bid on this stuff, and anyone who is stupid enough is obviously spending 'mad money', there isn't a whole lot at stake.
Grow up. That kind of talk should be saved for people like Kenneth Lay.
I've noticed that the people who like to talk alot about 'kicking people in the face' are also the type who a) have never BEEN kicked in the face, and b) have never kicked anyone else in the face. You need to spend about 10 minutes in a seriously violent encounter with another adult male-- I guarantee it will change your entire perspective on this kind of rhetoric.
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This guy's complete scum and should be kicked in the face. Then he should be spit in the face while he's on the ground. No wait.... Someone should spit on their foot then kick him in the face with the spit foot. Then he'd be in pain and have spit in his face.
Lee >>
Perhaps someone could chop off the scammer's foot, spit on it, then beat him with his own foot.
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Jeffery Dahmer
Stingray
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<< <i>"Once and for all, the Rolex analogy does not work. First off: ebay verbiage, from title to description, is not the same as someone coming up to you on the street and stating facts."
I fail to see any meaningful distinction. >>
You might try reading what follows that quote that you took out of context.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
<< <i>You must not know Pandrews sense of humor, do not take it literally.
Stingray >>
Not only do I know his sense of humor, I happen to have the same sick mind.
Thanks for the guidance.
<< <i>Grow up. That kind of talk should be saved for people like Kenneth Lay.
I've noticed that the people who like to talk alot about 'kicking people in the face' are also the type who a) have never BEEN kicked in the face, and b) have never kicked anyone else in the face. You need to spend about 10 minutes in a seriously violent encounter with another adult male-- I guarantee it will change your entire perspective on this kind of rhetoric. >>
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Not only do I know his sense of humor, I happen to have the same sick mind. >>
<< <i>10 minutes in a seriously violent encounter with another adult male. >>
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
Boo
I think you have your perspective a bit skewed - when someone is taken, they are taken. Stealing is stealing and there's no degree on that - wrong is wrong and there's no "half" hell to attend.
When you refer to "bigger" crimes - that's only worth referencing is the world of crime and punishment - a person expects to get a lighter sentence for stealing a pack of gum vs. a car - each crime is the SAME - it's stealing and it's wrong. You run down a slippery slope when you try to rationalize this whole debate.
I am not trying to be the big moralist or anything - but having been robbed, swindled and had a new car stolen - I fail to see any distinction of the feeling I had based on the "value" of the item.
mike
Stingray
i just wanted to post one more picture while we were on the subject of kicking people in the face.
Brian
Lee
<< <i>On that same subject, is it possible to start another ebay account without them finding out who you are, and you can just bid $12 million on all scams and not pay? Will they find you through your IP address jeopardizing your existing account? >>
Yes you can, and yes they could. But they wouldn't bother trying to match up the suspect IP address against their entire database unless they had reason to suspect a particular set of IDs, then they might compare those two IP addresses. More likely they'd just boot the ID that's monkeying around (or shilling, or not paying fees), as they do hundreds of times each day.
If you're really determined to have two identities that can never be connected, it's easy enough to start a new account from a different location (your work computer, for example, or your wi-fi laptop) and never log into that ID from your home computer. That way you can do your vigilante thing and not risk your regular account.
Not that I'd endorse such a thing. There's a fine line between screwing with people who should be screwed with, and screwing with people just because you can. Plus I hate when my employees are goofing around on the internet at work.
<< <i>I think the most amazing thing is that people are dumb enough to bid on this garbage! >>
bwf, I think you need to be a little more cordial in your response. Just because you are an experienced collector doesn't mean everyone else is at your level. I noticed this in a few of your replies. Please don't take this as a personal attack, I think we need to be a little more understanding. We should be helping those who are 'dumb enough to bid...' and educate, not criticize them.
Again, I appreciate all the great advice and knowledge from the collectors here who really understand appreciate what this hobby is about. I always try to pass on the good information to people who are less knowledgable and experienced.