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Friendly e-mail from seller izodman777

[hey greg.......... where does it say on my auction that i take pay
pal?? IT SAYS 'I DO NOT TAKE PAY PAL' I'm not even signed up for it.
so you sent money to "no one" payment is only buy check, cashiers
check , money order or cash.......... read before bidding bro.
And just so u know, dont wait untill u get your money back from pay pal
before u send me mine. my auctions say exactly what payments i take.
james smith izodman777]


I guess that mistakes aren't permitted?? My reply was just as friendly as his...

Greg M.
Collecting vintage auto'd fb cards and Dan Marino cards!!

References:
Onlychild, Ahmanfan, fabfrank, wufdude, jradke, Reese, Jasp, thenavarro
E-Bay id: greg_n_meg

Comments

  • kingraider75kingraider75 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭
    Everyone should be forced to take PayPal. It's a pain in the ass to go to the bank for a money order or cashier checks. I take PayPal as a seller, and yes the fees are bad, but it's easier to transfer money via the computer these days.
    Running an Ebay store sure takes a lot more time than a person would think!
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭
    Well, that seller could lighten up. But I don't think some of you appreciate how many stupid F'in emails a seller can receive in the course of a day from idiot bidders/winners. I'm usually a real laid back guy, but this last Feb. I just started biting the heads off every ebay bidder who emailed me. I got sick of the dumb questions, and sick of the crappy attitudes.
  • sagardsagard Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Everyone should be forced to take PayPal. It's a pain in the ass to go to the bank for a money order or cashier checks. I take PayPal as a seller, and yes the fees are bad, but it's easier to transfer money via the computer these days. >>



    No way. On a $5 sale Ebay auction, Ebay/PayPal takes over 20%. PayPal needs to have a "Buyer pays fees." option.
  • kingraider75kingraider75 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭
    unless you are a powerseller, I still think it's easier to do PayPal. Yes, Paypal/Ebay fees will eat 20%, but that is still better than having to hassle with a cashiers check. I also think that you get a little bit more for your auctions when you use PayPal. If items sell for a few bucks, the whole selling process isn't monetarily a benefit. I just attempt to reshuffle money toward other cards I want/need.

    Anyone tried the Yahoo auctions no fee thingeeeee?????????
    Running an Ebay store sure takes a lot more time than a person would think!
  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Well, that seller could lighten up. But I don't think some of you appreciate how many stupid F'in emails a seller can receive in the course of a day from idiot bidders/winners. I'm usually a real laid back guy, but this last Feb. I just started biting the heads off every ebay bidder who emailed me. I got sick of the dumb questions, and sick of the crappy attitudes. >>



    I understand what you're saying, however I made a mistake and didn't check whether he accepted paypal (I thought I checked all the auctions - since I paid for 5 or 6 at the same time). I make paypal payments by going to my paypal account and clicking on the "Items won" tab - which brings up all auctions that I have won and haven't paid for. At that point, I typically click on the auction link to make sure the seller accepts paypal. If not, I delete the auction from paypal and write a check for the auction amount. I just received a follow up e-mail telling me to go f*** myself and that he won't sell the item. This man is very hostile...

    Greg M.
    Collecting vintage auto'd fb cards and Dan Marino cards!!

    References:
    Onlychild, Ahmanfan, fabfrank, wufdude, jradke, Reese, Jasp, thenavarro
    E-Bay id: greg_n_meg
  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As a buyer I like using Paypal since it is easy to pay for the auctions. As a seller, I am concerned that the fees are starting to eat up a lot of the profit. Since Ebay and Paypal are the same company, I wish they would streamline their fee structure so that it would be easier to track my sales records. To me it seems a little shady that the Paypal and Ebay fee are assessed on different amounts. Ebay is only on the realized price and Paypal includes the S&H.

    I think if the fees keep going up, sellers will starting looking at alternative means to sell cards. Naxcom is just as bad (but no listing fees). Hopefully shows and shops make a comeback. I miss the interaction will other collectors.....at least some of them.



    Mike
  • kingraider75kingraider75 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭
    ndleo is right, that Ebay and Paypal, should just charge sellers once for the fees. I guess their accounting systems are different since Ebay makes you pay fees, and then Paypal makes you pay fees. It would be nice if the Ebay fees were deducted at the same time that someone pays with PayPal.

    Also how come you can't pay for an item without first using your PayPal balance. If you have a balance of $30 and you want to pay for a $50 item, that $30 comes out first, then $20 is taken out of your checking/credit card funds. That's kinda annoying.
    Running an Ebay store sure takes a lot more time than a person would think!
  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭



    that seller sounds like a dip$h!t though..

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  • MorrellManMorrellMan Posts: 3,240 ✭✭✭
    gotta love ebay rage
    Mark (amerbbcards)


    "All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
  • I typically don't mind the dollar here or there, but I just sold a high priced item for $1,800 and paypal took over $50. No more paypal on high ticket items. Next time i'll offer free shipping if you DON'T pay via paypal.

    but I agree, who really wants to screw around BUYING money orders and snail mailing them out? I used to say "paypal only" but now that I take money orders, prob 90% still only use paypal. the convienence of not having to wait and worry about the money order, then remembering to take it to the bank and fill out the envelope and wait for funds to be deposited, etc...

    everything about snail mail payments is a pain in the a$$ if you ask me. (except for the very high dollar items mentioned above...)

    contradicting, i know!!

    GG
  • forgot the original post!!!

    the problem also with paypal is if you go to paypal then select items won on ebay, it displays EVERYTHING, even if they don't accept paypal. this screwed me a couple times and had to cancel payments, but I never was on the receiving end of such jacka$$edness!!

    GG


  • << <i>Everyone should be forced to take PayPal. It's a pain in the ass to go to the bank for a money order or cashier checks. I take PayPal as a seller, and yes the fees are bad, but it's easier to transfer money via the computer these days. >>



    Great idea! Let's force everyone to take Paypal because you find it to be a pain in the ass. Boo hoo.
  • kingraider75kingraider75 Posts: 1,500 ✭✭
    As much as paypal bites, I prefer it on big purchase items. Taking $50 out of $1800 isn't nice, but it's not that bad. Do you think people bid more when they see the seller takes PayPal? I think so.
    Running an Ebay store sure takes a lot more time than a person would think!
  • DaBigHurtDaBigHurt Posts: 1,066 ✭✭


    << <i>Everyone should be forced to take PayPal. It's a pain in the ass to go to the bank for a money order or cashier checks. I take PayPal as a seller, and yes the fees are bad, but it's easier to transfer money via the computer these days. >>



    Spoken like a person who has never been raped by Paypal on a fraudulent chargeback! image
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    GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
  • SDavidSDavid Posts: 1,584 ✭✭
    I'm surprised paypal lets you send payment for items where the seller doesn't take paypal. That seems kinda dumb on their part. Where is the payment going? Even sellers who take paypal sometimes have different ebay/paypal email addresses, so if it automatically goes to their ebay email address...

    Boopotts - what are you selling that brings about that many questions? I can't remember ever getting that many questions with cards. Of course, I rarely check my email, but...
  • Paypal is great for buyers, but risky as hell for sellers. Check out www.paypalsucks.com to read some horror stories
  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭
    HI SDavid-

    I sold a bunch of modern cards, mostly higher end Roethlisbergers stuff., and my auctions managed to attract the attention of every illiterate in the Continental US. Selling vintage is sooo much nicer, if only because the buyers have a clue.
  • gregm13gregm13 Posts: 5,798 ✭✭✭
    The seller sent me a barrage of beligerant e-mails and said that he wouldn't sell the item and would report me as a non-paying bidder (interwoven with several F-bombs and a few mother and sister observations). I promptly sent the e-mail to E-Bay and reported as "Seller Non-Performance". Within an hour, the seller was NARU'd. Sweet justice!!

    All this silliness over a $10 card. Very sad.

    Greg M.


    Auction link
    Collecting vintage auto'd fb cards and Dan Marino cards!!

    References:
    Onlychild, Ahmanfan, fabfrank, wufdude, jradke, Reese, Jasp, thenavarro
    E-Bay id: greg_n_meg
  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    Within an hour, the seller was NARU'd. Sweet justice!!

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  • BoopottsBoopotts Posts: 6,784 ✭✭

    Agreed--that is justice.

    Obviously this seller was a total tool. But, understand that selling on the 'bay can be very frustrating, and can drive otherwise rational people to irrational acts.
  • jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭


    << <i>Paypal is great for buyers, but risky as hell for sellers. Check out www.paypalsucks.com to read some horror stories >>


    It can also be risky as hell for buyers. Early in my eBay experience, I bought a 1965 Mantle PSA 8 for $900+ and paid with PayPal. The seller sent me a bubble mailer full of worthless 2004 commons, and used delivery confirmation. I reported the ripoff to PayPal as "item not as described." The complaint never got past the PP computer, which automatically closed the case and sent me a form letter stating that PP does not investigate disputes over "quality of merchandise."

    The story had a happy ending for me, though not for some others who also got scammed. Thanks to another victim who was able to track down the scammer, a couple of us got our money back. But that was no thanks to PayPal, which regarded 2004 commons instead of a PSA 8 vintage Mantle as a "dispute over quality of merchandise."

    That has since changed, I believe, and a computer no longer automatically rejects the claim if you click "item not as described." A human takes a look and makes a judgment whether to proceed further.

    But the point that still holds true is about claims of non-delivery. A seller can send a bubble mailer full of cow plop (or nothing at all) and as long as he used delivery confirmation and can provide the number, PayPal will not reverse the charge.
  • KnucklesKnuckles Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭
    What a screwy situation but congrats on getting him booted. lol
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  • Hey Greg, just how much juice DO you have at Ebay to get someone NARU'ed in an hour? I want my "eject the idiot" Ebay card too!

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    Bob

    COLLECTING (other than belly button lint):

    -Evgeni Malkin (when Pittsburgh pays the bribe money, er, ruble)
    -Heath Miller (the new TE bullseye for Big Ben)
    -Sport Kings in off-grade PSA (for you vintage freaks)
  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Regarding Paypal -

    1) Always pay with a credit card. The Paypal balance transfer puts you at their mercy if there is a problem.

    2) If there is a problem, go right to the credit card company. They will force Paypal to act and get a response from the seller.

    Paypal's buyer protection is a load of cr*p. The protection is only good for 45 days, which can easily be used up trying to "work it out" with the seller as Paypal recommends. I got scammed on a $1200 case and Paypal refused to do anything. One email to my credit card company and the problem was solved.

    Paypal sent me an email saying that I should use their customer service next time. I had a nice chuckle over that.

    Also Paypal is the reason I had to increase my S&H charge. Without delivery confirmation, I am vunerable as a seller.
    Mike
  • TabeTabe Posts: 6,064 ✭✭✭✭✭


    << <i>Also how come you can't pay for an item without first using your PayPal balance. If you have a balance of $30 and you want to pay for a $50 item, that $30 comes out first, then $20 is taken out of your checking/credit card funds. That's kinda annoying. >>


    Pretty sure that's not true. Just check the funding options when you pay.

    Tabe
  • ndleondleo Posts: 4,136 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You have to clear your balance first before using other payment options. I just transfer money to my bank account before paying.
    Mike
  • sagardsagard Posts: 1,899 ✭✭✭
    As a seller I think we are vulnerable with PayPal unless a signature is provided. The DC slip is cheap and convenient, but I don't it by itself would satisfy PayPals proof of delivery requirements.
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    As far as I know - DC is all PayPal looks for to show proof of delivery.
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  • 262Runner262Runner Posts: 606 ✭✭✭
    The percentage paypal charges for the ability to accept credit cards is well within limits of normal business. The average business pays 2.5 - 3.5% to accept a credit card when they "Key-in" the number rather than scan plus the fees you pay; Monthly service charge, lease on credit card equipment, even a charge per sale if your sales volume is to low.

    It is very important to be able to accept credit cards. It has been shown in many studies that a business that accepts ALL credit cards will sell the same items as much as 30% more than a business who does not accept credit cards. Not to mention the number of bidders you get that will not bid if they cannot use their credit cards. This is most evident on higher priced items.

    I agree that the relationship with Paypal and ebay is a little scary... it is what we have unless you can accept a credit card from your shop, but then you must report those sales...

    262

    Collecting all cards - Gus Zernial
    Post Cereal both raw and PSA Graded (1961-1963)

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