should psa add the black backing to their holders

denwd1

of course they should! all the psa auctions put black background behind them.i say it's time to add it.

N162Collector

No. GAI cards have the black insert, and they look like crap.

Knuckles

PSA would get some more business from me and SGC would lose some.

But on the other hand I like the PSA holder the way it is for 80's cards and newer.

rana

It may be too late to add anything only for asthetic reasons this late in the game. If they add an insert that keeps the card from moving around in the existing holders, I'd be happy with it, though. I'm also in favor of PSA using .5 grades, so the card has a more precise condition stated, but that is another flame war for another thread. I just see too much difference in high-end 7/8/9 cards and low end ones and I'd like more information on which to base purchases and sale prices.

lawnmowerman

I used to dislike the psa holders but they have grown on me of late. The design of the flip and the case has a nice simplicity to it. I would say leave them alone. Yeah the cards move around and can be damaged, tests have been done to prove that. Just dont use your them as hammers or put them in the dryer and everything will be alright.

Matt

zef204

I say leave well enough alone. Sleek, simple and easy, exactly how I like my women.

CollectorChris

No way!

iamthegreatcornholio

It could be a way to make more money - they could offer the normal holder or for more money a "premium" holder. I'm sure some people would bite.

Brian

jrdolan

<< <i>all the psa auctions put black background behind them. >>


Unless they don't want you to see the corners very well, then they use white backgrounds. A black insert won't help you there, because the insert would be cut away around the corners. And the black "backing" that you request would prevent you from seeing the back of the card!

koby

NO

The extra piece in the insert is dangerous for cards.

Axtell

I would vote no as well. Like was said earlier, the clean lines and simple design means the holder isn't the attraction, it's the card that's on display.

Boopotts

"I just see too much difference in high-end 7/8/9 cards and low end ones and I'd like more information on which to base purchases and sale prices".


A half point system won't change that. PSA already can't tell the difference between a high end 8 and a 9, or a 9 and a 10. You think they're going to be able to distinguish between a raw 8.5 and a 9?

Anyone who thinks the half point system is the bomb need only to familiarize themselves with the lunacy surrounding coin grading. All the half point system does is promote more crack and submits. It doesn't do anything to help the purchaser understand the true condition of the card.

zef204

Boo I think you are dead on. I have fallen victim to the resubmit of SGC, BVG(BGS), GAI and usually PSA can see the card as a whole and pretty much hit where I thought it would grade. Beckett's system while initally may seem to make sense, is IMO flawed. It seems so arbitrary to put a # grade on PD's or ST's. PSA falls victim to this occasionally, but only when its on a marginal call. If you submit a card to beckett that has 9 centering/ 9 corners/ 9 edges/ 4.5 surface and final grade being a 5.5 I think is an injustice. I would rather have a 9(ST) or 9(PD) than a BVG 5.5.

knglerxt

I think they should. I love the black SGC holders. They make the card stand out more.

ctsoxfan

I say leave the holders just as they are. Simplicity is a good thing sometimes.

rana

<< <i>A half point system won't change that. PSA already can't tell the difference between a high end 8 and a 9, or a 9 and a 10. You think they're going to be able to distinguish between a raw 8.5 and a 9? >>



This in itself isn't an argument against a more precise grading system. No matter how granular your grading system, there are always borderline cards. If PSA graders are making changes to grades on resubmits for borderline cards, I have absolutely no problem with that - it is inherent in the subjective process of grading those borderline cards. That sort of grade change would continue with any subjective grading system, but the borderline cards will be confined to a range of .5 rather than 1. If PSA graders are regularly making grade changes on resubmits for non-borderline cards (and I'm not insisting they do this), it is a training/hiring issue for PSA, not necessarily a flaw in the grading system. I personally want more info available on the cards I buy and sell, especially with online purchases.

Assuming some less-accurate PSA graders sometimes vary by 1 grade or more when grading, and best ones rarely give different grades on regrading, then a .5 system helps those cards graded by the best graders (those handling the high dollar or rare cards) to be more accurate, and overall the grades are more accurate. But if some graders are not consistent, I agree that no new grading system at all can help those graders get more accurate grades.



<< <i>Anyone who thinks the half point system is the bomb need only to familiarize themselves with the lunacy surrounding coin grading. All the half point system does is promote more crack and submits. It doesn't do anything to help the purchaser understand the true condition of the card. >>



I don't see PSA arguing against crack and submits in their direction - it makes them money. Lots of people already crack and submit to GAI to get half-point bumps, and it hasn't ruined anything in the card industry that that I can see.

The only argument against a more precise grading system I can see is that a reasonably well-trained grader can't normally differentiate between one grade and another. For .5 grades, I simply don't believe that to be the case. For .1 grades, I would agree, though. Many people I've seen arguing against .5 grades are just not willing to accept change, when it comes down to it.

bobbybakeriv

My vote is no on any sort of insert.

Cubfan

No

Golfcollector

I personally like the black inserts but feel it is too late for them to change to go that rout.

Griffins

I agree that it is too late, but think PSA has the 3rd best holder out there. The black mattes look great (except on sets like '71 Topps) and I like having the info on the top edge of the flip- makes it a lot easier to pick out cards in a stack.
Does anyone really like the mylar baggies that some cards get put in?

ctsoxfan

<< <i>I like having the info on the top edge of the flip- makes it a lot easier to pick out cards in a stack. >>



If I could change or add one thing to the PSA holder, it would be that. I agree, it is a great feature. But, what do I do - change all of my PSA holders over to a new holder? That is the problem you have anytime you start to talk about changes.

rana

<< <i>If I could change or add one thing to the PSA holder, it would be that. I agree, it is a great feature. But, what do I do - change all of my PSA holders over to a new holder? That is the problem you have anytime you start to talk about changes. >>



Some changes can be made without changing the appearance of the holder too much. PSA has done that in the past when changing the hologram, the fonts used, the barcode display, etc. I think adding a bit of text viewable from the top could be done without major changes to the holder's appearance and still remain stackable with old holders. In addition, I don't think there is any requirement anyone change their existing holders when a new holder comes out, as long as they remain stackable and have the same general appearance. Only with serious/major changes might PSA feel required to offer a largely discounted reholdering service, as they did with some vintage Topps baseball recently. If that ever happens, I hope they will also take care of the other minor issues many folks have with the holders (cards moving around, etc.).

RipublicaninMass

<< <i> Sleek, simple and easy, exactly how I like my women. >>




zef204, I though you liked them black and strong....


wait that was your coffee....