I'm thinking the real SGC 92 Rose RC got cracked out which would have caused the 'spider cracks'.. This fake was then thrown in the holder and glued togeather..
You would think that a fire intense enough to crack the case would do more damage.
When you combine the cracks with the zero feedback, suspicion quickly rises. Maybe it's all true and legit, but I would suspect he created the ID on June 2 just to sell this one card. By the time the buyer sees evidence of re-glueing or is told by PSA that it's a counterfeit, the seller is long gone.
Judging from the bidding, that's what other people are thinking, too.
Everything about the card is fake. The flip is fake. SGC has never used fonts that small (at least that I've never seen). 1963 Topps etc. The grades fonts are correct, but not the title or description of the card.
I just went to SGC's website hoping to find a "Cert Verification" type of link. I couldn't find one. That would be a good way to start validating the authenticity of this card...
<< <i>My question is, why would he disclose the cracks, thus losing a lot of bids, if it's not legit? >>
Because it buys him time to vanish and erase the trail. If he didn't give an explanation for the cracks, the buyer might try to take immediate action despite the disclaimer of "no returns on graded cards." But I think you're right in another sense. Why bother to send the card at all? Since it's a use-once-and-discard eBay ID, he could cash the money order and then go *poof* Not your general-issue scam, but a scam nonetheless. That flip does look peculiar, now that EEK points it out. The only thing real is the holder!
<<< This auction is for a 1963 Topps Pete Rose Rookie #537. This card has been graded by SGC a Near Mint-MINT 92, equal to a 8.5. This is one of the highest graded Rose RC out there. This is a great investment for the future. Its book value is $3000. Also slight spider cracks in the seal around case. Card was in a car that caught on fire. But there is no damage to card only the spider cracking, and that is only on the edge of casing about 1/16 of an inch. You won't notice the cracking unless you are looking for them. Pics are of the actual card for sell. No returns on graded cards. >>>
Hmmm...Unless I don't completely understand the Laws of Physics...doesn't plastic "melt" in a fire, and doesn't it only "crack" when pressure is appled to it such as being dropped or when plied open with a metal instrument to take out the real card and insert a reprint? In any event this is a scam.
Wouldn't go near that auction. Eagleeye is correct, SGC has never used fonts that small, etc. The case/flip aside, just look at how narrow the borders are on the back of the card. A doctored card for sure, trimmed on more than one edge. Bogus flip, altered or trimmed card, cracked case...
God I love Ebay. It's just a 24hr a day scam parade. Fake cards, trimmed cards, 'grab bag' specials for $4 a whirl... the fun never ceases.
Additionally, I'm at the point where I have zero pity for the schmucks who buy this stuff. None at all. MikeSchmidt once said that everyone who buys these PRO cards, etc., are just looking for something for nothing, and I completely agree with him. Take a look at this Rose-- anyone with the IQ of a sea cucumber knows that there's no way a card this expensive doesn't get reholdered before it goes on the 'bay if it's a legitimate seller. People just want to believe that they're 'getting a deal', and will ignore any and all evidence that suggests anything to the contrary.
This reminds me of one of a grab bag deal I saw last night. The hook is that the seller's husband had a heart attack, and she's selling off his enormous collection in 50 or 100 card lots. With each of these lots you have a chance to score Bonds rookies, Griffey rookies, Gem Mint Leaf Satchell Paige RC's, etc. etc. Now come ON, folks-- is anyone ever going to toss a $50 card into a $5 lot? I mean, in the history of card collecting has this EVER HAPPENED? Or, if you're the grief-struck widow of a card collector, are you really just going to sell of your husbands collection in lots, instead of, oh I don't know, CALLING A CARD DEALER AND HAVING HIM APPRAISE THE COLLECTION?!
I feel terrible for low income people who get stuck with bad mortagages from predatory lenders, or for single moms making $6 an hour at the local Wal-Mart who get sucked into envelope stuffing scams. But I don't feel bad for greedy card collectors who can't use the wits God gave them to sniff out a blatant rip-off like what we see on Ebay daily.
Hey there, I actually e-mailed the "winning" bidder on this scam. He sent me back a note requesting some more information and then another note thanking me for saving him the money. He contacted SCG and, surprise, surprise, it was a total scam.
The bigger problem is that nothing ever happens to these thieves. This guy will soon be back on Ebay with a different ID selling some other fradulent card(s).
Robert
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A lot of newbies don't understand that a card being graded can increase its value by large multiples. So, if they search for 56 topps koufax's and they see a pro 8.5 going for 350, they may not even realize that an 8 from a real company should carry more value. There may not be a psa 8 up at the time or it might be in the early stages of its bidding process.
Most consumers of any product buy at a whim, be it on ebay or in card shops. Unfortunately, with this "hobby," that's deadly. My dad (who has bought barely any cards since 1963) was in a shop looking at pro graded cards. They were priced at smr just like the dealer's psa cards. He wasn't really looking to buy anything, but he wouldn't have had any idea what was in those holders. How would he? Well, in this case he knew because his son was there to explain it all and physically threaten the dorky little sales clerk, but otherwise...
I just wanted to give bobby24 a huge "props" for saving someone money.
I would suggest that we need more collectors like him, ......and this is a prime reason why ebay will not do anthing about private auctions...because someone will notify the winning bidder that he just bid on crap! Thank goodness this wasn't a private auction!
Way to go bobby24 - you just invaded the sellers right of privacy (dripping with heavy sarcasm)
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When you combine the cracks with the zero feedback, suspicion quickly rises. Maybe it's all true and legit, but I would suspect he created the ID on June 2 just to sell this one card. By the time the buyer sees evidence of re-glueing or is told by PSA that it's a counterfeit, the seller is long gone.
Judging from the bidding, that's what other people are thinking, too.
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The flip is fake. SGC has never used fonts
that small (at least that I've never seen).
1963 Topps etc. The grades fonts are correct,
but not the title or description of the card.
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<< <i>My question is, why would he disclose the cracks, thus losing a lot of bids, if it's not legit? >>
Because it buys him time to vanish and erase the trail. If he didn't give an explanation for the cracks, the buyer might try to take immediate action despite the disclaimer of "no returns on graded cards."
But I think you're right in another sense. Why bother to send the card at all? Since it's a use-once-and-discard eBay ID, he could cash the money order and then go *poof* Not your general-issue scam, but a scam nonetheless. That flip does look peculiar, now that EEK points it out. The only thing real is the holder!
Hmmm...Unless I don't completely understand the Laws of Physics...doesn't plastic "melt" in a fire, and doesn't it only "crack" when pressure is appled to it such as being dropped or when plied open with a metal instrument to take out the real card and insert a reprint? In any event this is a scam.
STAY AWAY!!!!!
Additionally, I'm at the point where I have zero pity for the schmucks who buy this stuff. None at all. MikeSchmidt once said that everyone who buys these PRO cards, etc., are just looking for something for nothing, and I completely agree with him. Take a look at this Rose-- anyone with the IQ of a sea cucumber knows that there's no way a card this expensive doesn't get reholdered before it goes on the 'bay if it's a legitimate seller. People just want to believe that they're 'getting a deal', and will ignore any and all evidence that suggests anything to the contrary.
This reminds me of one of a grab bag deal I saw last night. The hook is that the seller's husband had a heart attack, and she's selling off his enormous collection in 50 or 100 card lots. With each of these lots you have a chance to score Bonds rookies, Griffey rookies, Gem Mint Leaf Satchell Paige RC's, etc. etc. Now come ON, folks-- is anyone ever going to toss a $50 card into a $5 lot? I mean, in the history of card collecting has this EVER HAPPENED? Or, if you're the grief-struck widow of a card collector, are you really just going to sell of your husbands collection in lots, instead of, oh I don't know, CALLING A CARD DEALER AND HAVING HIM APPRAISE THE COLLECTION?!
I feel terrible for low income people who get stuck with bad mortagages from predatory lenders, or for single moms making $6 an hour at the local Wal-Mart who get sucked into envelope stuffing scams. But I don't feel bad for greedy card collectors who can't use the wits God gave them to sniff out a blatant rip-off like what we see on Ebay daily.
SGC needs to be notified. They'd be suprised to learn that their holders "spider crack" in a fire instead of just melting...
SWEET!!
GG
Robert
Any high grade OPC Jim Palmer
High grade Redskins (pre 1980)
Ruth
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A lot of newbies don't understand that a card being graded can increase its value by large multiples. So, if they search for 56 topps koufax's and they see a pro 8.5 going for 350, they may not even realize that an 8 from a real company should carry more value. There may not be a psa 8 up at the time or it might be in the early stages of its bidding process.
Most consumers of any product buy at a whim, be it on ebay or in card shops. Unfortunately, with this "hobby," that's deadly. My dad (who has bought barely any cards since 1963) was in a shop looking at pro graded cards. They were priced at smr just like the dealer's psa cards. He wasn't really looking to buy anything, but he wouldn't have had any idea what was in those holders. How would he? Well, in this case he knew because his son was there to explain it all and physically threaten the dorky little sales clerk, but otherwise...
I would suggest that we need more collectors like him, ......and this is a prime reason why ebay will not do anthing about private auctions...because someone will notify the winning bidder that he just bid on crap! Thank goodness this wasn't a private auction!
Way to go bobby24 - you just invaded the sellers right of privacy (dripping with heavy sarcasm)
Dal