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baseballfanaticbaseballfanatic Posts: 2,415 ✭✭
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If you have a PSA autenticated auto from days gone by which used to be accompanied by the little sticker and matching card,(or a picture of the item on the letterhead) do you have to pay the authentication fees again to have it slabbed, or just a holdering fee? Was curious what everyones take was on the autograph mega lots that are purchased from Mastros etc, and than broken up and sold with a copy of the blanket letter? If I purchased a couple of these items, do you have to pay again to have it authenticated and slabbed since it was already authenticated?

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  • cardfan07cardfan07 Posts: 680 ✭✭
    I would think that you'd have to pay to have it authenticated again. I don't own anything that has the blanket PSA/DNA letter...but I can't see how you could keep using that the further away you've gotten from the original owner. And even then, I'm personally leery about a group of items that are authenticated but aren't necessarily tied to that authentication.
    Ted Williams, Willie Mays, Tom Seaver, Mike Schmidt, George Brett, Bob Gibson, Lou Brock player collector
  • baseballfanaticbaseballfanatic Posts: 2,415 ✭✭
    So in a way the blanket letters are worthless. What if I was the one who purchased the lot, and wanted all of the cards slabbed? Do you still have to pay for the authentication fees again before they are slabbed?
  • KnucklesKnuckles Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭
    I certain you would just have to pay a holdering fee:

    If the 'sticker' is applied on the item or on the Certficate or Letter of Authenticity.
    If it doesn't have a 'sticker' it should be marked with invisible ink which contains a synthetic DNA sequence/combination specific to PSA/DNA.
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    Verify a PSA/DNA authenticated item here


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  • wufdudewufdude Posts: 356 ✭
    I have asked PSA/DNA about this. If the card has the sticker and the original authentication letter for that card, you would only have to pay the slabbing fee. You'd have to pay the $20 if the card was from one of the mega lots.
  • boggsboggs Posts: 91
    Yes you have to pay. THe letter is worthless to PSA. Nice huh?


    James
  • thomasbeethomasbee Posts: 2
    I have PSA authenticated index cards with the PSA sticker on the card. The cost to have PSA slab this index card is $ 20.00. (same as the Combo fee).

    This is what PSA told me.

    Does somebody have a different price?

    Does anyone know where I can purchase snapons the will fit index and/or HOF post cards. I have seen 4 X6 screw holders but they are to big

    Thanks

    TB
  • KnucklesKnuckles Posts: 2,512 ✭✭✭
    I've seen toploaders for index cards..
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  • roastedcatroastedcat Posts: 892
    Yep, you have to pay the $20. again!
    Jery's T206 set: Looking for PSA 6's & 7's!
  • boggsboggs Posts: 91
    This will tell you how good the "LOA " is



    AUTOGRAPH HOBBY NEWS -

    Bill Miller, former publisher of Autograph Collector magazine (owned by Collectors Universe) is suing Collectors Universe (parent company of PSA-DNA). Bill has personally told me that THOUSANDS of COA's with his facsimile signature were issued by PSA-DNA. The number of items he examined was ZERO. Why has PSA implied that autograph authorities are examining the autograph submissions that they are receiving? Mr. Miller's attorney has deposed the head of Collectors Universe and will be deposing Joe Orlando, the president of PSA-DNA. Mr. Orlando has already distinguished himself in other lawsuits against PSA.

    A statement had been posted on the PSA website, stating: "Some of you may or may not have encountered a PSA/DNA Auction Letter in the marketplace...Please keep in mind these Auction Letters are NOT representative of full PSA/DNA authentication...Prior to the sale, the items are presented for a cursory review only. The items are NOT tagged with our synthetic DNA, are not issued with PSA/DNA serial numbers, and the items are NOT photographed (as they are on our full PSA/DNA authentication letters)...The full letter can be provided for a mere LOA upgrade fee." The dictionary definition of cursory is "HASTY and without attention to detail, NOT THOROUGH." They are admitting that they conducted hasty exams that were not thorough, and now want collectors to PAY THEM MORE MONEY to make up for the cursory work which has been done.

    So for YEARS auction houses have been stating "authenticated by PSA-DNA." Auction houses that use PSA include Mastro Net, Hunt, Grey Flannel, Clean Sweep, American Memorabilia, Guernsey's and more. And now we find out that these autograph exams were cursory exams only. They had admitted to this on their website. Millions of dollars of autographs have been sold with cursory exams. And now PSA wants more money from the collector, after the auction houses have already paid them thousands of dollars for these cursory exams, which involved millions of dollars of autographs.
    PSA changed the wording on their website to read "authentication review" instead of cursory review. What does that mean? "Collectors give us more money" it seems to mean to me. Authentication review? What does that mean? Auction houses - are your items thoroughly examined by PSA?
    PSA has changed the website yet AGAIN. It now reads "the (auction) items ,,, have been examined and deemed authentic by PSA/DNA."
    Make up your mind PSA. Cursory review? Authentication review? Examined and deemed authentic? (How and by who?). If they were indeed examined why did PSA initially state the items only had cursory reviews.

    SOME MORE QUESTIONS FOR PSA: Facsimile signatures of their authenticators are printed at the bottom of the COA's. Who is authenticating these autographs? Collectors don't you want to know who examined your autograph? Is it a former hotel autograph chaser examining your autographs? They have such people on staff. Is it someone who authenticates autographs with barely a look? Is it someone who examines autographs under glass, without removing the glass first, to see if the signature is printed?
    Bill Miller's name is on thousands of COA's. He never examined an item. A question for Epperson, Reznikoff, Eaton, etc. whose names are printed on PSA COA's. Are you examining the items that have your name on the PSA COA? Mr. Miller did not examine any items. If you are examining the items are you giving them cursory exams, authentication reviews or what?

    From Collectors Universe financial statement: (parent corp. of PSA) Units authenticated by PSA/DNA decreased by 40% to 15,000 units, in the third quarter of fiscal 2005 from 25,000 in the same period in 2004. Does this mean a loss of collector confidence in PSA?


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