Whadda ya think??

EdnaPurviance

Link

Worth a bid??

iamthegreatcornholio

The Mantle is fake - that said, I wouldn't trust anything he has.

Brian

ajw

Why is the 52 Mantle so much smaller than the 56's? Note also that his guarantee comes with a refund not of the individual card's value, but instead of the pro-rated percentage of the selling price. So, if you pay $2000 and the 52 Mantle is fake, he'll refund you $1.

If it looks too good to be true...

CDsNuts

He bought the Mantles here

Lee

Axtell

I would think that there is very little to no chance of any raw 52 mantle card on ebay being legitimate. I would suspect that anybody who is on ebay knows enough to know that these cards are infintely more valuable graded than raw. If someone has a rookie Mantle, they obviously would have searched through ebay to see their worth (if they didn't know)...and seen graded examples.

There was one raw mantle I remember someone bought (that had a PSA 3 flip with it) for a song that turned out great, but every one of those stories there are hundreds of scams.

Me personally? I'd never buy a mantle rookie raw...just way, way too many fakes and scammers out there on them.

xbaggypants

Would you trust his other auctions? he has some old wax and for some reason no scans. I have emailed him to send me scans of the unopened stuff. If I hear anything back form him i'll let you know.

Ryan

lawnmowerman

I really hate thieves and people that shill bid. I sent the seller this email and I hope he has the balls to email me back.
"You are nothing but a lowlife thief. The same cards you say were found in a large box, you bought and are still available under your feedback you bonehead. In case you need help remembering where you actually got these from I am providing you the item number 5169838523. Its people like you that ruin ebay for everyone else"

Boopotts

The whole 'Mantle' thing is just so overdone. If you're plotting a scam try some '67 Clemente's in mint, or something new. There may be 'one born every minute', but even the average Ebay sucker has to have gotten wise to the whole Mantle act.

Lothar52

where do we report such a fraud on ebay?? whats the email?

loth

jrdolan

At least some of the Mantles he bought are legitimate reprints, and say so on the reverse. The '52 Topps is obviously of modern size. There's no way to make the reverse of the Topps '52 reprint appear genuine, even if there is "paper loss" in the place where it says reprint. If these are the same, he went to a lot of trouble to give them rounded corners and toned borders.

stevek

<<< I very recently had a consignment of sports related material found in an old house the Lansing, Michigan area by a building conractor. >>>

This scamming piece of sh*t got this idea because of a well publicized story about a month ago regarding a contractor who found about $100,000 worth of old coins and currency while doing construction work at someone's house.

gosteelers

I, for one, would love to purchase a '52 Mantle, but unfortunately scammers have made it so scary to even think about it. Has anyone ever purchased a raw '52 Mantle? If so, how did you do with the grade? A better question might be, does anyone on the boards own a '52 Mantle?

Mark

jrdolan

I would consider a raw '52 Topps #311 only from a known, longtime collector who has refused to get ANY of his collection slabbed in the past 14 years. I can think of no other kind of seller that I could trust on that kind of purchase. Even then, how do I know that person hasn't been holding an altered Mantle without realizing it all these years? People were trimming and doctoring in the '70s and '80s, as I found out to my dismay when I submitted my best raw cards to PSA more than a year ago.

Anyone else, including dealers, have no reason NOT to grade a '52 Mantle before selling it, no matter how crappy it is. Even a PSA 1 would bring a couple thousand on a bad day, which is still 8 or 10 times the bids generated by the raw Mantles of doubtful authenticity. Even people who dislike graded cards understand that, and go through the disasteful process before selling their most expensive cards.

lawnmowerman

Someone bid on this lot of garbage. i already emailed the high bidder to let him know he was about to win a bunch of crap.

williplett

This guy is an out and out liar. To get your grades back in time to qualify for his "refund" you would have to submit the cards to PSA and pay through the nose for the grading and quick enough turn around time.

nightcrawler729

I reported him under Authenticity Disclaimer - at the very least, eBay will pull his auction for his "All cards appear to be genuine and I am confident enough in this, that if any buyer can reasonably show any card not to be genuine, they may return any card not deemed genuine for a refund (based on % of cards). " comment.

jrdolan

Not to take attention away from the clown who beat up these reprints to make them look old, but I think they aren't even "real" reprints.

The person he bought them from is continuing to sell 25-count lots of Dan-Dee and Red Heart Mantle reprints, along with more 25- and 30-count lots of various Mantle reprints, each lot containing six 51 Bowman and six 52 Topps Mantles plus others.

Unless this supplier, Sal's Cards, is buying 1983 reprint sets for $150 to $200, and the other reprint sets for $20, in order to pull out the Mantles and sell them in bulk for less than $1 each, these can't be the genuine authorized reprints. They must be counterfeit reprints, if that doesn't sound too weird. I'm not saying Sal is printing them himself, but somebody is doing some mass duplication of these legitimate Mantle reprints.

Oh yeah ... and Sal's Cards seems to use All-Star Grading exclusively, which is all I need to know about the legitimacy of his wares.

It's a sad state of affairs when you have to get your reprints authenticated and slabbed.

stevek

<<< Unless this supplier, Sal's Cards, is buying 1983 reprint sets for $150 to $200, and the other reprint sets for $20, in order to pull out the Mantles and sell them in bulk for less than $1 each, these can't be the genuine authorized reprints. They must be counterfeit reprints, if that doesn't sound too weird. I'm not saying Sal is printing them himself, but somebody is doing some mass duplication of these legitimate Mantle reprints. >>>

JR - you are absolutely right. I have been in the printing supply business for over 25 years and understand printing as well as most anybody. Offset printing isn't brain surgery - printing companies are a dime a dozen in any city. Without getting into boring details, it is not that hard to photograph images, do the color seperations, make printing plates, buy some similar cardstock, and print them in mass quantities on an offset press - they'll look fairly decent. Especially when looking on a screen at an ebay auction. When looking at the newly printed counterfeit card in person, most anyone who has handled and seen lots of genuine cards, can spot these counterfeits fairly easily. Although I have seen some, like the infamous 63 Rose rookie couterfeits that are of amazingly "good quality." I personally would never buy a 63 Rose, 52 Mantle or other "popular" expensive card, FROM ANYBODY, unless they were PSA slabbed.

Steve

xbaggypants

<< <i>Would you trust his other auctions? he has some old wax and for some reason no scans. I have emailed him to send me scans of the unopened stuff. If I hear anything back form him i'll let you know.

Ryan >>



He emailed be back saying that he did know how scan or send me images of the cards unopened stuff... So why dose he have pictues within the auction description???

Ryan

Fabfrank

This scamming piece of sh*t got this idea because of a well publicized story about a month ago regarding a contractor who found about $100,000 worth of old coins and currency while doing construction work at someone's house.

Ironically that proved to be a scam also. Actually. it was theft of old coins and the 2 guys made up the story of finding them.

CollectorChris

Scamola!

Boopotts

I'm convinced that anyone who has a 'story' about how they stumbled into the cards is full of it. Consider: If I was selling something I knew nothing about (and this is the only way an authentic 52 Mantle is ever going to hit the 'bay, since everyone who knows anything at all would get that card slabbed) I would just put it up and see what happens. I wouldn't have a need for a story, since I wouldn't think there was anything weird about putting the item up for sale.