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The next MOSH sighting ??

FuzzFuzz Posts: 903
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I noticed that in the mhcc auction this week, they had the #2 1961 Topps FB set which was owned by Pual Lemm. When I looked the bidding was pretty strong nearing the $10K with fees and the that was still in the afternoon of the final day. I did not look back to see what it finished at but it had the smell of another MOSH sighting. Top set, one he is collecting, one lump sum and your at/near the top.
Good luck to all those competing for that set. You just might need it.
Fuzz
Wanted: Bell Brands FB and BB, Chiefs regionals especially those ugly milk cards, Coke caps, Topps and Fleer inserts and test issues from the 60's. 1981 FB Rack pack w/ Jan Stenerud on top.

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    AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    Good luck to all those competing for that set. You just might need it.
    Fuzz >>



    Or a lot of cash and a willingness to spend it image
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    jvineyardjvineyard Posts: 256 ✭
    That set was still number 1 when it sold. I just passed it last night with my last update (I also just uploaded all the scans).

    Paul's set sold for about $8,900 - and I was bidding on it until it hit $7,000+ - my wife would have killed me. I was going to combine the top two sets and sell off the duplicates. I hope MOSH didn't have the same idea.
    John Vineyard

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    halosfanhalosfan Posts: 2,614 ✭✭✭✭
    Who is MOSH? I know what the acronym stands for.
    Looking for a Glen Rice Inkredible and Alex Rodriguez cards
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    MantlefanMantlefan Posts: 1,079 ✭✭
    Museum Of Sports History
    Frank

    Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
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    wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭

    Fuzz - did you notice the action on Lemm's 1962 Fleer set ?

    It ended up going for just over 3 times SMR at $ 8,507 including buyer's premium.
    I dropped out at 2 times SMR, so there were at least two other bidders driving it the rest of the way.

    Hang in there jvineyard and just remember what a small band of dedicated men did against great odds at the Alamo.

    Oh wait, they got slaughtered image ... bad analogy ...
    Pix of 'My Kids'

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    calleochocalleocho Posts: 1,569 ✭✭
    Is MOSH ever going to jump into baseball?

    FB and BBK are usually ignored by the big players, he/they wont have such an easy time building high grade sets in baseball.

    "Women should be obscene and not heard. "
    Groucho Marx
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    sixdartsixdart Posts: 821 ✭✭
    $$$$$ talks - eventually he'll move into baseball. He is a fan of all sports, and his museum will support all the major sports.
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    PinkcatfishPinkcatfish Posts: 377 ✭✭
    Maybe MOSH follows that it is better to be a big fish in a little pond(s) because there are some rather large
    sharks in the the Baseball card ocean....??
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    calleochocalleocho Posts: 1,569 ✭✭
    Sixdart,

    to be the best in baseball it would take an enourmous amount of money.

    and besides its not just buying them you need to find them...the best cards are owned by Fogel, Merkle, Luchious etc...I dont think these guys need the money ...so where would the cards come from?
    "Women should be obscene and not heard. "
    Groucho Marx
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    sixdartsixdart Posts: 821 ✭✭
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    sixdartsixdart Posts: 821 ✭✭
    Sorry about the double post!

    ... FB and BBK are usually ignored by the big players, he/they wont have such an easy time building high grade sets in baseball.

    - calleocho

    I responded to your comment about building high grade sets in baseball, so my response is correct - he has the $$$$$ to build any set he wants. Where did I mention he was going to dethrone any of those guys?

    I do understand what you mean about the amount of time and money involved in those sets. Many of the low pop high-grade cards are locked up.
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    FuzzFuzz Posts: 903
    John,
    I guess putting the best TWO sets on the registry makes you the 61 king. I suspect that the top spot will be hotly contested this fall so good luck. Would have hated to see the Mrs. kill you over cards. But it has happened before and will happen again. Besides, you would have had only a small sum out of pocket in the end.
    Wolf,
    I did not actually see the 62 Fleer set until later. Don't think you will be under pressure any time soon. your set is just a killer. This set is still down on my list and low priority but I do have a few stashed away for future use.

    The generalist vs the Specialist
    This I believe is the longterm downfall of MOSH, Davalillo, myself and many others. We get killed by the specialist in the end. When you are doing 20 sets, or 50 sets or 100 sets you just get stretched to thin. For some it will be money. For others it will be time. Others it will even just be contacts. People like the Franks (Evanov and the Fabulous one) have incedible collections but are spread over only a few sets. They can focus resources and money to be aware of everything going on in their specialties. In the end, the top cards fall into their sets and never come out. I believe that a few years from now, they will be unbeatable because of the focus. They will win as long as they play. If you notice, several of the MOSH sets that were on top several years ago have fallen and fallen hard. I suspect that the sets that he has bought recently will fall several years from now as newer interests take over the limited hours in a day. Also note that a lot of these big $ players in this hobby have big money, high pressure, highly time consuming jobs. They will not have a lot of time to capture and compete for new cards as well as maintaining the old. It will be the turtle not the rabbit in the end. IMO.
    Fuzz
    Wanted: Bell Brands FB and BB, Chiefs regionals especially those ugly milk cards, Coke caps, Topps and Fleer inserts and test issues from the 60's. 1981 FB Rack pack w/ Jan Stenerud on top.
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    AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    I think MOSH has a reputation of paying top dollars for cards, so I am assuming that he probably gets contacted to buy high end cards before they are even offered to the marketplace?
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    calleochocalleocho Posts: 1,569 ✭✭
    "The generalist vs the Specialist
    This I believe is the longterm downfall of MOSH, Davalillo, myself and many others. We get killed by the specialist in the end. When you are doing 20 sets, or 50 sets or 100 sets you just get stretched to thin. For some it will be money. For others it will be time. Others it will even just be contacts. People like the Franks (Evanov and the Fabulous one) have incedible collections but are spread over only a few sets. They can focus resources and money to be aware of everything going on in their specialties. In the end, the top cards fall into their sets and never come out. I believe that a few years from now, they will be unbeatable because of the focus. They will win as long as they play. If you notice, several of the MOSH sets that were on top several years ago have fallen and fallen hard. I suspect that the sets that he has bought recently will fall several years from now as newer interests take over the limited hours in a day. Also note that a lot of these big $ players in this hobby have big money, high pressure, highly time consuming jobs. They will not have a lot of time to capture and compete for new cards as well as maintaining the old. It will be the turtle not the rabbit in the end. IMO.
    Fuzz "

    Very true...good comment!

    "Women should be obscene and not heard. "
    Groucho Marx
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    thefootballcardstorethefootballcardstore Posts: 512 ✭✭


    << <i>I suspect that the sets that he (MOSH) has bought recently will fall several years from now as newer interests take over the limited hours in a day. >>



    Nah, I don't think so.

    But your specialist theory does make some good points.
    Jeremy
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    FabfrankFabfrank Posts: 2,312
    Some good points Fuzz, although my wife would argue with you about me "not being all over the place" when it comes to my collectionimage
    I do have many player runs that I am working on the football and baseball. I've been working on these runs for years, but many of the cards are in SGC holders. I even have been working on the Bowman Reserve football sets for the SGC Registry, but just have not had the time to load the m up.
    My strategy for the PSa Registry was to start with a few sets. In my case the Philly football sets. Once I got to 75% of a set, I would start another set of interest. My logic was that usually the last 10-20% of a set is the toughest part to finish. I felt that many collectors begin to lose interest at this point and than give up on their sets. To avoid this happening to me, once my Phillys reached the 75 % threshold I started building the 48 Leaf and Bowman sets, 50 Bowman, 53 Bowman Large and 57 Topps.
    By doing it this way it left me somewhat focused, opened up a new era in cards that I wanted to learn about but never really collected before and kept my collecting interest fresh.
    Bottom line is that big dollars will always win out in the end. I'm not into this hobby for that. I want to build the best possible sets and collection that I can afford.image
    Baseball is my Pastime, Football is my Passion
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    MantlefanMantlefan Posts: 1,079 ✭✭
    People like the Franks (Evanov and the Fabulous one) have incedible collections but are spread over only a few sets

    I hardly consider my collection a "few sets"




    Frank Evanov Baseball: 1957 Topps - Basic 8.420 100.00% 8.420 2nd best

    Frank Evanov Baseball: 1957 Topps New York Yankees 8.710 100.00% 8.710 2nd best

    Frank's 58 Topps BB Baseball: 1958 Topps - Master 8.280 .75% .090 28 th best

    Frank Evanov's 1958 Topps All-Stars Baseball: 1958 Topps All-Stars 9.000 9.52% 1.510 3 rd best

    Frank Evanov Baseball: 1958 Topps New York Yankees 8.340 100.00% 8.340 2nd best

    Frank Evanov Baseball: 1959 Topps New York Yankees 8.330 100.00% 8.330 3d best

    Frank Evanov Baseball: 1961 Topps New York Yankees 8.810 100.00% 8.810 2nd best

    Frank Evanov Baseball: 1964 Topps New York Yankees 8.930 100.00% 8.930 1st

    Frank Evanov Baseball: Bob Turley Basic Set 8.960 100.00% 8.960 1st

    Frank Evanov Baseball: Bob Turley Master Set 8.600 100.00% 8.600 1st

    Frank Evanov Baseball: Gil McDougald Basic Set 8.370 100.00% 8.370 1st

    Frank Evanov Baseball: Gil McDougald Master Set 7.720 87.50% 7.330 1st

    Frank Evanov Baseball: Mickey Mantle Basic Set 7.710 100.00% 7.710 4th

    Frank Evanov Baseball: Mickey Mantle Master Set 7.600 79.13% 5.550 1st

    Frank Evanov Baseball: Roger Maris Basic Set 8.640 100.00% 8.640 3rd

    Frank Evanov Baseball: Roger Maris Master Set 8.270 85.71% 6.870 1st

    Frank Evanov Football: 1960 Topps 8.820 100.00% 8.830 1st

    Frank Evanov Football: 1964 Philadelphia 8.990 100.00% 8.990 1st

    Frank Evanov's 1964 Packers Football: 1964 Philadelphia Green Bay Packers 9.000 100.00% 9.000 1st

    Frank Evanov Non-Sport: 1936 Goudey Soldier Boys R142 3.920 100.00% 3.920 2nd

    Frank Evanov Non-Sport: 1956 Topps Davy Crockett Green 7.500 100.00% 7.500 1st

    Frank Evanov Non-Sport: 1956 Topps Davy Crockett Orange 8.000 100.00% 8.000 1st

    Frank Evanov Non-Sport: 1956 Topps U.S. Presidents 8.250 100.00% 8.250 1st

    Frank Evanov Non-Sport: 1958 Topps TV Westerns 8.250 100.00% 8.250 2nd

    Frank Evanov Non-Sport: 1958 Topps Zorro 8.050 100.00% 8.050 1st



    Frank

    Always looking for 1957 Topps BB in PSA 9!
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    FabfrankFabfrank Posts: 2,312
    Compared to some guys who are working on 50-100 sets, ours are but a fewimage
    Baseball is my Pastime, Football is my Passion
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    SKINSFANSKINSFAN Posts: 1,032
    WE could put all our sets together and call ourself M.T.H.


    MASH THE MOSH imageimageimageimageimageimageimage


    Just kidding of course the MOSH collection will be tough to beat
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    FuzzFuzz Posts: 903
    Mantlefan,
    Sorry about that. Certainly no offense intended. Despite what Skinsfan says, I own a lot of BB but have very little of the registry. I only knew of your two FB sets which certainly are top notch. Looks like you have quite a bit of very nice other stuff. Thanks for sharing.

    Fab,
    Please go collect Bowman. I don't collect any of those other sets you mention at this point. Will be on the list but way down on the list. Could use a shot to finish off a few Philly sets myself which I need to get back too.

    Skinsfan,
    Have seen you out spending MOSH kinds of money on a few things lately. Glad to see all is well at your end.

    In general, I am probably working on 75 to 80 different sets at various levels. That does not include player sets but just regualr issues and inserts. I still believe that the guys with a smaller number of sets will maintain a better focus and will win in the end.

    Fuzz
    Wanted: Bell Brands FB and BB, Chiefs regionals especially those ugly milk cards, Coke caps, Topps and Fleer inserts and test issues from the 60's. 1981 FB Rack pack w/ Jan Stenerud on top.
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    iamthegreatcornholioiamthegreatcornholio Posts: 3,366
    Anyone see this? Impressive
    I think the 01 set looks a lot nicer, but this is some collection!

    Brian
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    calleochocalleocho Posts: 1,569 ✭✭
    thats manufactured scarcity...we have board members that could make cards just as nice as those.

    I would honestly rather have a nice frame with a card and the whole check instead of this modern hacked crap.

    this is impressive
    "Women should be obscene and not heard. "
    Groucho Marx
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    iamthegreatcornholioiamthegreatcornholio Posts: 3,366
    Well this "hacked modern crap" has appreciated more than most vintage, and it has a huge market. Especially the 01 set - back then Walter Johnson's could be had for $300ish now they go for $1,300+ now that’s IMPRESSIVE.

    Brian
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    calleochocalleocho Posts: 1,569 ✭✭
    Impressive would be the apreciattion on the Babe Ruth...that card used to book for what ...5 bucks?

    Walter Johnson autographs have gone up regardless of the card...i have seen non certified crappy autos in a blank piece of paper go for 500 bucks.

    A hacked piece of a check (or whatever document they manage to get their hands on and chop to pieces) put inside a card, 70 years after the players career ended..its not a great card...its merely a gimmick.

    I would rather have the whole check. or a nice low grade t-206




    image
    "Women should be obscene and not heard. "
    Groucho Marx
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    iamthegreatcornholioiamthegreatcornholio Posts: 3,366
    I understand your stance, and your disdain for "hacking", but I've seen plenty of autos cut out and used to matte with a photo or to make the homemade cut cards. I don't think they're hacking up the declaration of independence, but rather album pages or the occasional check. The auto is the focus, and I only cringe when they hack that short if it's too big to fit on the card. I would draw the line with bats and jerseys - that's an atrocity. This set it hard to collect and takes years and tons of money – I was admiring the work he put in to find all of them. BTW, nice T206, but what is harris collection – is that a subset of the t206’s?

    Brian
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    AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Harris Collection - might be the special service where they can put your name on the flip for 20 bucks?
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    calleochocalleocho Posts: 1,569 ✭✭
    iamthegreatcornholio,

    I dont mind when regular collectors do it as much as when greedy companies do it...might be the same thing...but the motives are different.

    anyways i re-read my post and it came out way too self-righteous...I guess that if you are a fan of the sp auto set then the whole set in one auction would be pretty cool.

    anyways...here its the story on the on the harris collection

    Axtell, I think anyone could get a pedigree...i would hope people wanting this service would use only for rare cards...i dont really know how it works...i read somewhere that it was around 5 bucks.
    "Women should be obscene and not heard. "
    Groucho Marx
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    pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
    i see MOSH has been selling some stuff lately..
    ·p_A·
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    wolfbearwolfbear Posts: 2,759 ✭✭✭


    << <i>i see MOSH has been selling some stuff lately.. >>



    Safe to assume that if they're selling something, they've already upgraded it. image



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    "How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
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    NickMNickM Posts: 4,896 ✭✭✭
    wolf - or it's a duplicate of the same grade (especially if they're buying sets & lots).

    Nick
    image
    Reap the whirlwind.

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    jrdolanjrdolan Posts: 2,549 ✭✭
    I bought this Jurgy rookie from MOSH not too long ago. No complaints.

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    WabittwaxWabittwax Posts: 1,984 ✭✭✭
    I agree with the fact that if MOSH does too many sets at once, he will run out of hours in the day. I have emailed him before with PSA 10's that I had that he needed for his sets (modern stuff). I've never once got a response from him. I offer them to him at about Ebay prices so I'm sure it's not the price. He can't be wanting a higher grade, 10 is the highest. All I can think is he is so busy that he just doesn't answer emails (or at least not all of them). Another thing might be that I'm only offering him a couple hundred dollars worth at a time. So anyways, I quit offering him cards. I don't even try anymore.
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    thefootballcardstorethefootballcardstore Posts: 512 ✭✭
    Wabittwax

    Send me a PM with your offer. I can give you a quick answer.
    Jeremy
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    FabfrankFabfrank Posts: 2,312
    Send me a PM with your offer. I can give you a quick answer.

    Ditto!
    Baseball is my Pastime, Football is my Passion
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    carew4mecarew4me Posts: 3,464 ✭✭✭✭
    MOSH is a one person representing a group of people.

    I have sold cards directly to him/them and the deal was much higher them Ebay.


    As a lawyer dealing with international trade issues he is gone all the time. The majority of private deals go through
    his Sports Museum rep.


    Loves me some shiny!
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    jayhawkejayhawke Posts: 1,287 ✭✭✭
    MOSH had some auctions up on ebay recently. The auction stated that MOSH is looking to buy complete sets. That would mean email him and if he needs it he will get back to you.
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