Roberto Clemete card found in Japan
TyHope
Posts: 20
How's everyone doing? This is my first post at this site.
I am an American currently living in Japan and recently found a shop that sells imported American cards.
I had just read about Timeless treasures cards from beckett magazine, so decided to buy a pack (tin?).
I was shocked to pull a HOF prime jersey, bat, auto Roberto Clemente 1 / 1!! (I'll try to post a pic...)
I'm just getting back into the hobby after about 10 years, and am still not sure what to do with it. (Thinking about possibly selling, trading, or putting on ebay...)
Just thought I'd share. You never know where good cards will turn up!
Ty Hope
cantstopthehope@hotmail.com
I am an American currently living in Japan and recently found a shop that sells imported American cards.
I had just read about Timeless treasures cards from beckett magazine, so decided to buy a pack (tin?).
I was shocked to pull a HOF prime jersey, bat, auto Roberto Clemente 1 / 1!! (I'll try to post a pic...)
I'm just getting back into the hobby after about 10 years, and am still not sure what to do with it. (Thinking about possibly selling, trading, or putting on ebay...)
Just thought I'd share. You never know where good cards will turn up!
Ty Hope
cantstopthehope@hotmail.com
Ty Hope (cantstopthehope@hotmail.com)
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Ty Hope
GG
First I want to extend a warm welcome to you from overseas!
Congratulations on a great pull!!
I happen to know that you received less than a satisfactory welcome over at net54 - you came to the right place here!
What do you collect? I am both a vintage and modern collector. Though I like pre-war stuff, I believe it's kind of condescending to thumb ones nose at the modern stuff. You will see debates on it from time to time. Keep an eye out for Topps Heritage collectors here, e.g., and next year with the 57T design - there will be some excitement.
So good luck and you won't need to fasten your seat belt over here!
mike
Incredible pull by the way!
Welcome to the PSA boards!
Wonderful card. As a Clemente collector I am envious.
If it were me and I had children, I would save that one for them. There will never be another Clemente.
Ty -
Saw the post on the network54 board.
You are welcome here - not all collectors are as opinionated when it comes to vintage/modern. We have a good mix of collectors here with tons of experience. Some have money for the big stuff, some don't, but we all enjoy the hobby, and we have a lot of fun here.
Feel free to ask any questions or show any cards - however new or old.
Keith
<< <i>Ty -
Saw the post on the network54 board.
You are welcome here - not all collectors are as opinionated when it comes to vintage/modern. We have a good mix of collectors here with tons of experience. Some have money for the big stuff, some don't, but we all enjoy the hobby, and we have a lot of fun here.
Feel free to ask any questions or show any cards - however new or old.
Keith >>
Yeah. I, too, saw that thread at Network54. Some of those guys are too nitpicky about what's on topic and off topic. I mean lighten up; it's a messageboard. People over there act like they're scared to death to start a thread because it might be deemed off topic by the Almighty Moderator.
Julen
oh yea, awesome pull!
RIP GURU
And yes I have the same user name on there.
The only issue that I had was that Ty stated that the net54 post was the first site that he had posted this on but in fact had posted on the Beckett board first. Nitpicking for sure and I have edited my post over there.
So Ty, hope I didn't get off on the wrong foot and sorry for pointing that out over there.
Now I totally agree that it's considered a great pull but still hate that they had to cut up such great pieces of history to make this card.
Jeff
Miscut Museum
My Mess
My sincere belief has always been that these pieces of bats and shirts are very suspect anyway - especially vintage! Who is to say if it's a piece of anyone's real shirt or bat? There are problems involved with authenticating a whole shirt or bat, let alone a piece. This could have been anyone's shirt or bat, or anyone's fabric or wood. I realize these items sometimes sell for a lot of money, but for me except for the autographs as noted, these cards are garbage.
<< <i>Nobody over at the VBC forum was knocking TY - not one bit whatsoever. They including myself, were knocking the fact, if it is a fact (see below), that a piece of memorabilia gets destroyed to produce these cards - that's all - but to each his own as far as collecting. Autograph cards are great - nothing destroyed there and a nice autograph is gotten.
My sincere belief has always been that these pieces of bats and shirts are very suspect anyway - especially vintage! Who is to say if it's a piece of anyone's real shirt or bat? There are problems involved with authenticating a whole shirt or bat, let alone a piece. This could have been anyone's shirt or bat, or anyone's fabric or wood. I realize these items sometimes sell for a lot of money, but for me except for the autographs as noted, these cards are garbage. >>
Understandable, everyone is entitled to their opinion about cards/manufacturing processes, but you can't honestly tell me that the first two replies on that forum sounded very welcoming. I would venture to say that they are bordering on hostile.
And I quote from that forum:
"W.T.F. is this crap doing on a vintage forum?"
and
"yea...take this sh#t elsewhere"
- Jason Lee, "Mallrats"
And I quote from that forum:
"W.T.F. is this crap doing on a vintage forum?" >>>
I agree with you about those first two replies. But I think Ty saw the many apologies and good thoughts which were posted afterwards.
I happen to like both forums. I get my pre-WW2 card fix there and my post WW2 card fix here. Even though there is discussion here about pre-WW2 cards, it is much more detailed over there because that's all which is discussed.
Are there some snobs over there? - of course - they would probably consider that a compliment. But let's not forget how some other forums are talked about here in a snobbish way so let's not be the pot calling the kettle black. My feeling is that both forums are great for what they are. It's the only two baseball card forums I like and participate in - so if that's also considered being snobbish then so be it
Steve
Hey, DiMaggio's glove sold for 100s of Ks and it was later found that the glove was not produced that early.
Other vintage memorabilia is also becoming suspect.
I think the snobbery goes a little farther than the "save the bats and gloves" movement.
Many of us do not have the $$$$ to buy vintage memorabilia. If we want a piece that a card company has produced, then so be it.
I believe that some would have a complaint about any piece that they were not given the chance to purchase or sell.
We have all seen that it does not matter how much money or how old the cards, everyone is capable of slinging mud and reverting to childlike behavior.
I'll stick with the "average Joes" here, and abstain from the elitist BS.
<< <i><<< Understandable, everyone is entitled to their opinion about cards/manufacturing processes, but you can't honestly tell me that the first two replies on that forum sounded very welcoming. I would venture to say that they are bordering on hostile.
And I quote from that forum:
"W.T.F. is this crap doing on a vintage forum?" >>>
I agree with you about those first two replies. But I think Ty saw the many apologies and good thoughts which were posted afterwards.
I happen to like both forums. I get my pre-WW2 card fix there and my post WW2 card fix here. Even though there is discussion here about pre-WW2 cards, it is much more detailed over there because that's all which is discussed.
Are there some snobs over there? - of course - they would probably consider that a compliment. But let's not forget how some other forums are talked about here in a snobbish way so let's not be the pot calling the kettle black. My feeling is that both forums are great for what they are. It's the only two baseball card forums I like and participate in - so if that's also considered being snobbish then so be it
Steve >>
Steve
I was the first to post about the "happening" - as was revealed, there are two sides to every story. And, there are elitists everywhere we go. I'm just happy that they are at a premium here and rarely seen or heard from.
If you want to talk prewar vintage - that's the place to go for the best and most detailed, accurate info.
Having said that, I would rather live in Plato's Cave, ignorant and stupid than put up with reading some of that crap for one second. And that's just my take. Life's too short.
mike
Second...People enjoy collecting cards...some old, some new. Its like someone from one religion telling someone from another religion they are wrong for what they believe.
Its not wrong to collect what you like. I find it very strange for people to voice an opinion about what OTHERS should like or dislike.
Opinions are like a$$holes cuz everybody's got one.
Ty, whether you keep it or sell it, its a great pull! There are tons of people who will pay a lot of money for that card (and it doesnt make them wrong) so enjoy it either way!
Thanks for all of the replies and welcoming me to this board. I have nothing against the other message board, (I received a lot of great information there and still go there), but will probably be posting here more often.
I honestly know very little about vintage cards, but always keep an open mind and would love to obtain some. Recently, I've been collecting mainly autograph cards, and rookie cards from the 70's and 80's. (Yesterday I pulled a pretty cool Wade Boggs auto that I will post soon)
BTW, the massages here are FREAKIN' AWESOME!!!!!!! I fight in MMA a little, and visit them often.
Ty
I was the first to post about the "happening" - as was revealed, there are two sides to every story. And, there are elitists everywhere we go. I'm just happy that they are at a premium here and rarely seen or heard from.
If you want to talk prewar vintage - that's the place to go for the best and most detailed, accurate info.
Having said that, I would rather live in Plato's Cave, ignorant and stupid than put up with reading some of that crap for one second. And that's just my take. Life's too short. >>>
Hi Mike - I completely understand what you are saying. My collectiing interest is primarily 50s and 60s cards with a healthy dose of 70s - and a sprinkling of pre-WW2. My 50s and 60s interest is maybe what miffed me about seeing possible Clemente memorabilia getting torn apart. Especially a deceased player therefore of course an item cannot ever be replaced. A modern player can have another new jersey and bat tomorrow so if that gets sliced up, that doesn't bother me because it can be easily replaced. But it is what it is and I take it as such.
For me, these forums are a fun "escape" to get away from the "real world" out there for awhile - talk some cards, sports, etc. Maybe even venting about certain things such as scammers, ebay con artists, my dislike for the Dallas Cowboys, etc. But I always say that I've never met a fellow baseball card collector who I didn't like and I sincerely mean that. Because you're right - life's too short.
Steve
<< <i>maybe what miffed me about seeing possible Clemente memorabilia getting torn apart. >>
Steve
That issue which was debated is a very legitimate thing - I personally am not excited about the hacking up of vintage memorabilia - we have had that debate and there are good points on both sides of the fence.
I don't mind when we get a little mad at each other - but there's a thin line that gets crossed in some forums where boorish egotistical behavior is tolerated, perhaps, because the player has a big collection or knows more minutia than the next guy.
I live by the rule that every man is my superior in that I may learn from him and "do onto others" - the forum can stand a few battles from time to time but would wilt under the constant pressure of a group of forum bullies.
And, I was not directing this commentary at you Steve, more the points you brought up were valid and real and go on in other places - I'm just glad not here.
mike
You have nothing to apologize about Ty. The people on that forum are a bunch of jerks.
Nice card! What are you doing with it? You could sell that puppy and fill a TON of holes in your collection! What are you plans for that beauty?
John
HOF SIGNED FOOTBALL RCS
<< <i>Compare the responses that Ty got on the Beckett and PSA forums with those on the 54 forum. Almost every poster of the Beckett and PSA forums congratulated Ty for pulling a nice card. The people on the 54 forum immediately berate Ty. What a bunch of pompous jerks. I can't believe that is how they treat other people.
You have nothing to apologize about Ty. The people on that forum are a bunch of jerks. >>
Koby
It wasn't very good form - that's for sure. The way the first few reacted, instead of just talking about his great card, you would think he asked people at net54 to give themselves vasectomies without anesthesia!
mike
Great card story..... Welcome to the board!
Danny
<< <i> If you want to talk prewar vintage - that's the place to go for the best and most detailed, accurate info.
Having said that, I would rather live in Plato's Cave, ignorant and stupid than put up with reading some of that crap for one second. And that's just my take. Life's too short.
>>
Very well said, Mike!
Even though baseball is extremely popular in Japan, baseball card collecting isn't that popular. The people that I've met here that do collect baseball cards aren't nearly as into it as most collectors are in the US. There are a handful of real hard-core collectors, but mainly just people who buy packs with hopes of pulling an Ichiro, Matsui, or any other Japanese player out of a pack. Ichiro and Matsui autos sell for a TON of money here. Bonds and Clemens cards are also in high demand lately.
I teach at a junior high school, and the two types of sports cards that are somewhat popular among the students are soccer cards (European league), and WWE cards. (The WWE has taken off here BIG TIME)
Ty
<< <i>I teach at a junior high school >>
Ty
Is that a DoD school? Do they charge our retail for the cards?
mike
Stingray
The school I teach at is a private school, grades 7 to 12. (Sorry, what does DoD stand for??)
Does anyone know if there is any demand in the US for Ichiro Japanese cards from when he used to play here? I can get a hold of a bunch, but am not sure what they are worth.
Ty
Thanks and welcome to the boards.
James
<< <i>Things are definetely more expensive here. I paid 12000 yen (about $120) for 1 tin of timeless treasures. I'm used to it though. I've been here for 11 years now, and EVERYTHING is expensive.
The school I teach at is a private school, grades 7 to 12. (Sorry, what does DoD stand for??)
Does anyone know if there is any demand in the US for Ichiro Japanese cards from when he used to play here? I can get a hold of a bunch, but am not sure what they are worth.
Ty >>
DoD is "Department of Defense"..
I heard through the grapevine that I have the luckiest (future) brother-in-law in the card collecting world. Congratulations on the find! I was thinking, you know what would make a good wedding present... See you soon Ty.
Best,
Chris
Beautiful card, Ty. You have every right to be pleased as punch. Keep your head high!
Holy crap!! How did you find my post??! (or this site for that matter! LOL) I read the post and didn't realize who it was at first!!
Ty Hope
If I go out for sushi here and spend 50-60 bucks easy. What the hell would it cost in Japan? Do I need to take out a second mortgage?
My wife and I went to this new sushi place a week ago and it was $85! I even had to go to burger king after because I was still hungry!