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checking coins for a friend - need token help

sadysta1sadysta1 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭
I was looking at some coins for a friend. there was nothing worth mentioning in the bag of coin that he showed me. same type of junk you see everywhere. I piked three coins for closer inspection. my eyes are getting better. I found a nice RB UNC 1909 VDB, I also located (WITHOUT A LOUPE, I'm so proud of myself) a 1936 cent that had a date that looked a little thick - and I'm so good I found FS 1c-015 in f/vf condition image.

I need a help with a token - not sure if US or british -
obverse a person woking in ironworks and dated 1790
reverse text JOHN WILKINSON IRON MASTER and a standard male bust

anyone knows this one?

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    It could be a 'Conder Token' these type tokens were minted in late 1700 hundreds to early 1800 hundreds in great britain . for their age , most are well struck . there were probably a hundred or more designs . Conder is the name of the person that catalogued these tokens . the ones i've seen are priced about $8 to $100 per coin .
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    northcoinnorthcoin Posts: 4,987 ✭✭✭✭✭
    You might have come to the wrong place. When I've asked for help on this forum I've gotten real help, not just token help. image
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    Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536
    It is a Conder token. John Wilkinson of Shropshire produced these tokens for a period of seven years using at least three different reverse designs. (Dalton & Hamer, and I believe Atkins, both cataloged the Wilkinson tokens to the county of Warwickshire in error.) His tokens run from 1787 through 1793. There are over 150 different varieties cataloged, but about half of them are contemporary counterfeits. There is also a non-contemporary counterfeit that was made in he 1950's. If you post or send me clear photos I can probably attribute it for you.

    And this was NOT the John Wilkinson that later became famous for razor blades. They both were iron masters named John Wilkinson and they even lived in the same general area of the country, but they are not the same person.
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    sadysta1sadysta1 Posts: 1,319 ✭✭✭
    here's the pic

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    Conder101Conder101 Posts: 10,536
    Ok, the token is a Warwickshire 387. The 387 comes with three different edge varieties. Two of them have four names around the edge. The only difference between them is a oo between two of the names. Both of these are very common. The third variety has a plain edge and is very rare.

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