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PaillePaille Posts: 31
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I just picked up a group of 25 SGC graded baseball cards from the 60's and 70's and I wanted to find out should I crack the cards out of
the holder in order to submit them to PSA or should I just submit them in the SGC holder and ask for a minimum grade. Many of the cards I have purchased are in a SGC92 holder so I am kind of wondering what would be the best approach in submitting these cards. Has anyone
had any sucess submitting SGC92 cards in the original SGC holders to PSA and have them come back PSA9's or were they bumped down to PSA8's most of the time. Any help would be appreciated.


George

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  • marinermariner Posts: 2,602 ✭✭✭✭
    I would recommend cracking out and submitting.
    Don

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  • coachhcoachh Posts: 529 ✭
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  • pandrewspandrews Posts: 7,598 ✭✭✭
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  • Carew29Carew29 Posts: 4,025 ✭✭

    On the SGC 92's i am batting .333 ( 1 for 3) came back a 9.
  • KosmoKosmo Posts: 77
    SGC 92s will come back as PSA 8s most of the time as they are not mint cards - they are mostly high end PSA 8s.
    Kosmo
  • RipublicaninMassRipublicaninMass Posts: 10,051 ✭✭✭


    << <i>SGC 92s will come back as PSA 8s most of the time as they are not mint cards - they are mostly high end PSA 8s. >>



    So who should submit to get that bumpo to a 9???





    ...I will give you 4_wrong_guesses j/k
  • PaillePaille Posts: 31
    Carew 29 I wanted to find out did you crack your three SGC92's when you submitted the cards to PSA or did you submit them in the SGC holder?
  • SKINSFANSKINSFAN Posts: 1,032
    my last crossover invioce was all football

    they were

    sgc 96 did not cross min grade crack out grade psa 9
    sgc 96 psa 9
    sgc 96 did not cross min grade cracked out grade psa 9
    sgc 96 did not cross min grade cracked out grade psa 10
    sgc 96 psa 9
    sgc 92 asking min grade 8 did not cross evidince of trim cracked out grade psa 9
    gai 9.5 did not cross min grade cracked out grade psa 9
    gai 9.5 did not cross trim cracked out grade psa 10
    gai 9.0 did not cross trim cracked out grade psa 9
    gai 9 did not cross trim cracked out psa 8


    PSA Crossover service a joke as i told Carol other day on phone. Just a way to scam $.
    As a result as how unhappy i was with these crossovers (and this is not 1st time its happend ) i will not renew my membership.

    PSA IS THE best in the buiss but this bs is just proof to me that they do not want crossovers and if thats the case dont take them.
    But taking them and charging with no intent to cross is just like stealing to me.
  • glossycrazyglossycrazy Posts: 677
    For what's it's worth I cracked a sgc 92 1970 topps football glossy of Joe Namath and
    sent it in raw. It came back a psa 9! I'm 1/1 on cracking and submitting instead of trying the
    BS crossover method! From what I've read, psa isn't too kind to crossovers!
    Paul
  • phreakydancinphreakydancin Posts: 1,691 ✭✭
    Crack!

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  • EagleEyeKidEagleEyeKid Posts: 4,496 ✭✭
    my last crossover invioce was all football

    Skinsfan, I'm a little confused. Were all those still in their
    original holder for crossover review or once they found evid of trim,
    you cracked them out and received the end result on the right?

  • smallstockssmallstocks Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭✭
    Think about it. What do they have to gain given equal or better crossover grades? All that does is validates the other companies of having an equal level of service which in turn may send more customers to the competitors. Crack and submit is the only way to do it. I would never attempt a crossover.

    Mike

    Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    I am confused, with a crossover you actually send the card in the other holder to PSA, will they crack it out themselves or just assign what they think it should grade?

    Stingray
  • donnnsterdonnnster Posts: 266
    stingray- My guess is skinsfan submitted his sgc cards originally with a minimum grade option. PSA sent several of them back without grading because they didn't meet his minimum grade. He then cracked out those that didnt make the grade out and resubmitted raw. With the raw cards he received the grades that he was seeking the first time when crossing over the cards. I myself haven't tried to cross over yet but yea if i were skinsfan, i would definitely be turned off by that if it happened to me.
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  • SKINSFANSKINSFAN Posts: 1,032
    DONNSTER you hit the nail on the head
  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Posts: 1,794 ✭✭


    << <i>my last crossover invioce was all football

    they were

    sgc 96 did not cross min grade crack out grade psa 9
    sgc 96 psa 9
    sgc 96 did not cross min grade cracked out grade psa 9
    sgc 96 did not cross min grade cracked out grade psa 10
    sgc 96 psa 9
    sgc 92 asking min grade 8 did not cross evidince of trim cracked out grade psa 9
    gai 9.5 did not cross min grade cracked out grade psa 9
    gai 9.5 did not cross trim cracked out grade psa 10
    gai 9.0 did not cross trim cracked out grade psa 9
    gai 9 did not cross trim cracked out psa 8


    PSA Crossover service a joke as i told Carol other day on phone. Just a way to scam $.
    As a result as how unhappy i was with these crossovers (and this is not 1st time its happend ) i will not renew my membership.

    PSA IS THE best in the buiss but this bs is just proof to me that they do not want crossovers and if thats the case dont take them.
    But taking them and charging with no intent to cross is just like stealing to me. >>



    I think that's about as definitive as it can get in answering whether to crack or not.
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    Question though. When he sent them into PSA with a min. grade were they still in the SGC holder? And if they were what does PSA do to them for assigning a grade?

    Stingray
  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I will not and never have tried a crossover..... Crack them out and re-submit is my humble opinion.

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  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    So you can send in cards with a minimum grade specification?

    Example, I have a group of 85 football cards I want to send in, but I don't want anything less than an 8. So I could notate that, and only be charged for cards that end up getting holdered? Do they refund your credit card for the difference? That would be awesome if it were true.
  • doncherrydoncherry Posts: 238 ✭


    << <i>So you can send in cards with a minimum grade specification?

    Example, I have a group of 85 football cards I want to send in, but I don't want anything less than an 8. So I could notate that, and only be charged for cards that end up getting holdered? Do they refund your credit card for the difference? That would be awesome if it were true. >>



    No you can't do that the minimum applies to cross overs only and you pay whether your minimum grade was met or not
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Ahh ok...thought it was too good to be true.
  • TipemTipem Posts: 881 ✭



    Cracking them is the only way to go !!


    Vic
    Please be kind to me. Even though I'm now a former postal employee, I'm still capable of snapping at any time.
  • smallstockssmallstocks Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭✭
    Yes, he sent them in while they were still in the original holder.

    Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    What will PSA do when he sent them in the SGC holder? Crack them and regrade them or just notate what grade they think they should be? Still confused?

    Stingray
  • PaillePaille Posts: 31
    Stingray if you send the card in the SGC holder to PSA you have to ask them for a minimum grade on the card and if the card does not meet the minimum grade you requested than they will not crack the card out of the holder. They will not tell you what grade the card would get if it was not in the holder. They will just send it back to you saying did not meet mimimum grade you requested.

    George
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    But if it does meet the minimum grade will they crack it open and put it in a PSA holder? I guess I wondering if PSA would take on the liability of cracking the holder of another company and taking the risk of damaging the card?

    Stingray
  • smallstockssmallstocks Posts: 1,631 ✭✭✭✭
    Yes they will.

    Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
  • shagrotn77shagrotn77 Posts: 5,582 ✭✭✭✭
    You probably found this out already, but the minimum grade is just for crossovers.
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  • PSARichPSARich Posts: 534 ✭✭✭
    I had 50-50 results. Sent in 10 sgc 96 cards asking for a minimum grade of 9 and got five PSA 9s back and five "did not meet minimum grade". I did talk to a PSA rep at the national last year and he did say that sometimes it is hard to see everything they want on a card through the current holder and if there is a question it could keep the card from crossing over. Since then I have broken out four sgc 92 and two sgc 96 cards and got back 3 PSA 9s, 2 PSA 8s and one "evidence of trimming".
  • phreakydancinphreakydancin Posts: 1,691 ✭✭
    Just got results back on two crack-and-submits:

    SGC 98 crossed to PSA 10
    BVG 9 crossed to PSA 9
  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Just got back grades on 3 "cracked":

    1964 Topps SGC 86 Mantle is now a PSA 8
    1962 Topps CSA Maris is now a PSA 7 (Old, red label CSA)
    and 1962 Topps SGC 86 Yankees Team is now a PSA 8

    I had previously submitted all of them for crossover grading and none met the minimum grade. I read this thread, immediately cracked and resubmitted, and nailed all three. Thanks a million for your thoughts and advice. I am sure way more people read and follow good advice than you all know. I'll never, ever, crossover again.
    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • Bosox1976Bosox1976 Posts: 8,551 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Maris was a CSA 7 - now PSA 7.
    Mike
    Bosox1976
  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    You can also list No M/G (no minimum grade) with cards you submit for crossover.

    Nick
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