Newfoundland Re-engraved Cents

bosox · May 20, 2005 3:23PM

If, like me, some of you had wondered what a re-engraved Nefwy cent looked like, here you go. When I didn't own one I wondered; "How much re-engraving does it take to count?". Now that I bought one, the answer is; "a lot". Here is a 1940 Re-engraved Cent; ICCS VF-30.

ajaan · May 20, 2005 8:12PM

Nice Rob. Are you going to be in Toronto in June for the TOREX show?

bosox · May 21, 2005 4:28AM

I'm planning on being there, Don.

lathmach · May 22, 2005 2:53AM

Re-engraved?
That's strike doubling.

Ray

Numismatics · May 22, 2005 10:56AM

I have a question:
What is the differences between "doubling", "re-engraved" and "repunched"?

bosox · May 22, 2005 11:43AM

Re-engraved and re-punched refers to reworking of a worn die to make the features sharper. Either the die is re-engraved to overcome previous die wear, or a legend or date may be re-punched with a die punch to achieve the same effect.

Hub doubling refers to a mis-alignment between the numerous pressings by a hub to make a die. Again, the die itself has the doubling on it.

There is also a doubling caused by die chatter. The die is fine, but impresses the coin multiple times. I am guessing this is what Lathmach might be referring to.

The cent in question is always referred to in Charlton and other references as "re-engraved". Having looked at the entire coin, it doesn't seem to be any form of hub doubling. Some of the legends are also doubled, but to varying degrees that don't seem to line up with any form of linear or rotational form of hub doubling that I have seen (the date doubling seems proportionately much more severe than any doubling on the legends).

It seems too extreme for the die chatter scenario, plus die chatter would show similar linear or rotational doubling on all of the devices.

Numismatics · May 22, 2005 10:42PM

<< <i>Re-engraved and re-punched refers to reworking of a worn die to make the features sharper. Either the die is re-engraved to overcome previous die wear, or a legend or date may be re-punched with a die punch to achieve the same effect.

Hub doubling refers to a mis-alignment between the numerous pressings by a hub to make a die. Again, the die itself has the doubling on it.

There is also a doubling caused by die chatter. The die is fine, but impresses the coin multiple times. I am guessing this is what Lathmach might be referring to.

The cent in question is always referred to in Charlton and other references as "re-engraved". Having looked at the entire coin, it doesn't seem to be any form of hub doubling. Some of the legends are also doubled, but to varying degrees that don't seem to line up with any form of linear or rotational form of hub doubling that I have seen (the date doubling seems proportionately much more severe than any doubling on the legends).

It seems too extreme for the die chatter scenario, plus die chatter would show similar linear or rotational doubling on all of the devices. >>

Learned something today. Thanks vey much!

lathmach · May 23, 2005 1:09AM

This type of doubling is commonly due to a loose die in the press. This allows the die to move slightly at striking.
It's referred to as "shelf doubling", "strike doubling", "bounce doubling", or machine doubling, depending on who's doing the talking.
This is very common on certain coins. You may be able to put together an entire set of mercury dimes that are strike doubled. (maybe not the 16-d)
I don't know what Charlton is referring to in this instance, but this is not recutting of the die.

Ray

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