1887-O Morgan Dollar--Amon Carter Specimen; Your Thoughts And Comments Please

CalGold

What do you think? Grade? Value?






CG

Edited to add: Not my coin but I would gladly trade my icon coin for it.

eyoung429

excellent colour, some rub.....MS63 obv MS 64 rev

Numismatics

I am not very good at grading US coins.
But this coin is very beautiful!

LeeG

"Love It" and I don't collect Morgans! Great Color's and looks like a 64 maybe 5? Don't know the series so grade may be off. To me this is a coin where the grade doesn't matter Congrat's if it's yours!

mgoodm3

Oooo. very nice.

DennisH

I expect the value would significantly exceed the grade, which I'm guessing would be MS63 or 64 at PCGS, and MS64 at NGC.

Grey Sheet says it's an $88 coin at MS63 and $330 at MS64. With this color and eye appeal I wouldn't be surprised at values of more like $250+ and $500++

boiler78

Looks like the branch mint proof in the upcoming Superior sale. NGC SP 65

CalGold

Boiler that is the coin. Wayne Miller called it a proof in his book. NGC holdered it as a specimen. Apparently there are no mint records verifying it as a proof.

Has anyone seen this coin in person?

CG

stev32k

There appears to be a fingerprint on the left side of the reverse just below 9:00. That will knock off a buck or two - maybe even a point or two.

jdsinva

That's the coin in the Superior Galleries catalogue I just got yesterday. . .

edited to say: oops, you all already said that!

Wolf359

Wayne Miller called it a proof in his book. NGC holdered it as a specimen. Apparently there are no mint records verifying it as a proof.

Yes, he called it an unauthorized, but obvious Branch Mint proof. It's from the Amon Carter collection. No other specimens have surfaced,
which I find worrisome. Could just be a sensational business strike.

CalGold

Seems that the Amon Carter 1887-o generates less interest here than the usual $50 ebay coin.

CG

vega1

Very Pretty. Can't help but wonder how much darker the toning is in-hand though.

Louis

I am currently the high bidder.

razorface1027

Ahh...The antiqued look! Just the type of toners I like for my collection. They can keep all the "Rainbow" stuff.



Tom

Wolf359

Very Pretty. Can't help but wonder how much darker the toning is in-hand though

Miller described it in 1976 as having yellowish-colored centers. It may have darkened or the photo may be off.

K6AZ

<< <i>Seems that the Amon Carter 1887-o generates less interest here than the usual $50 ebay coin.

CG >>



Perhaps if it was shown with a good image it would generate more interest. I just couldn't make anything out from the image provided.

messydesk

Specimen or surreptitious proof. That's not your typical 87-O strike by any stretch of the imagination. Can the fingerprint be traced to Amon Carter as well? Price guides will be worthless for this one.

Coinhusker1

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<< <i>Seems that the Amon Carter 1887-o generates less interest here than the usual $50 ebay coin.

CG >>



Perhaps if it was shown with a good image it would generate more interest. I just couldn't make anything out from the image provided. >>



Yes, it would be nice to see an image showing the coin's luster. Definitely one you would want to see in person.

SethChandler

Nice coin, I wonder how many Branch Mont Proof Morgans there are? And which one is the most obvious. I think that boardmember monsterman discovered a 1921-S Proof Morgan.....it was previously graded as a MS PL by PCGS. Lots of bargins out there if you do your homework.

Steve27

I hate proofs with no reflectivity and that's why it's only a PR65, but since only a handful of New Orleans proofs exist, it's worth big bucks.

ArtR

<< <i>Yes, he called it an unauthorized, but obvious Branch Mint proof. It's from the Amon Carter collection. No other specimens have surfaced, >>



If Wayne Miller called it an obvious Branch Mint Proof, you can take it to the bank.

tradedollarnut

There appears to be a fingerprint on the left side of the reverse just below 9:00. That will knock off a buck or two - maybe even a point or two.

No, it won't.

CalGold

The photo from Superior's auction does not really show mirror fields but Miller said that it was deeply mirrored. Miller's book reflects his skeptical approach to coins that were touted as branch mint proofs, but he called this one an definite proof. He does not present any provenance predating Amon Carter, nor does the Superior catalog. Does anyone know anything about the history of this coin? The fact that it is not documented as an authorized proof, though resulting in a Specimen designation, makes it intriguing.

Anyone seen it in hand? Any opinion as to why it was graded 65? Miller says there were some rim bumps but no other marks on the coin. Picture seems to show some cabinet friction.

CG

CalGold

Seth,

I recall from Miller's book that there are documented BM proofs 1879-o (to mark the re-opening of the New Orleans mint), 1883-o (don't recall why) and 1893-cc (last year of CC mint), and 1921-s. Miller also discusses an 1882-cc that he believed was a proof and an 1881-o that he doubted was a proof. I am doing this from memory and don't recall if there were any others.

CG

coinkat

I have never seen the coin in hand, but it looks to a proof and I would believe it will do quite well

Coinhusker1

Has anyone seen the coin in person? I'll bet its a lot more stunning than that photo. The photo actually makes it look like an AT coin with no luster!