Less Than 24 Hours Later, Maybe I Haven't Seen it All in Fake '52 Mantles. . .
detroitfan2
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Now this one is a bit more interesting . . .
What the?
Is there any chance that indeed the winner will get the 4 cards pictured as they are pictured (i.e. in PSA holders)? Are we now at the point where there's maybe ten to twenty major dealers who we can safely buy a 1952 Mantle from, even if it's in a PSA holder? Can we ever be sure?
What a shame. I recently sold some stuff in Leland's auction to free up some baseball card spending money. I want to get a Ruth or Gehrig Goudey PSA 1. Now I'm just plain scared. I might have to be happy with my 1950's PSA 5 commons which go for less than the price of grading fees.
What the?
Is there any chance that indeed the winner will get the 4 cards pictured as they are pictured (i.e. in PSA holders)? Are we now at the point where there's maybe ten to twenty major dealers who we can safely buy a 1952 Mantle from, even if it's in a PSA holder? Can we ever be sure?
What a shame. I recently sold some stuff in Leland's auction to free up some baseball card spending money. I want to get a Ruth or Gehrig Goudey PSA 1. Now I'm just plain scared. I might have to be happy with my 1950's PSA 5 commons which go for less than the price of grading fees.
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Why would someone combine all 4 of these into one auction, when seperately they would surely garner a great deal more cash.
Scammers will never learn.
<< <i>REVISION: It appears PSA has pulled the serial numbers for theese cards from the data base. When I checked 3 months ago the serial numbers were still active and matched. I have again been notified by another ebay member that has similar cards with matching serial numbers. Take this additional information into consideration when bidding. Again they are as stated possible copys/reprints. When I first bought them in October 2004, I looked up the numbers prior to my purchase and they did exist in the PSA data base. If, in fact thay are copys they sure look authentic and fooled me aswell as many others. Take this additional information into consideration prior to bidding. All sales are final and seller assumes no responsibility for the authenticity of the Items. Thank you. >>
Gee, you think there is a chance the winner won't get the real thing?
<< <i>If, in fact thay are copys they sure look authentic and fooled me aswell as many others. Take this additional information into consideration prior to bidding. All sales are final and seller assumes no responsibility for the authenticity of the Items. Thank you. >>
I had reported this one to ebay yesterday under the "authenticity rule" - lightning fast ebay!!
mike
How is it possible all of these fake PSA cards are out there to buy? I always felt comfortable buying cards in PSA holders "knowing" they were real. How is someone like me suppose to know now? I mean, that does look like a Mantle in a PSA holder.
I'm not buying Mantle rookies yet but when will it stop? When I get around to buying "affordable" rookie cards of Koufax, Rose, Gibson, Namath, Brown, etc., how will I know they are real now?
Auctions like this really pi$$ me off. I should pick up another hobby like gardening.
That's the question I was trying to ask originally but I wasn't very clear.
<< <i>>>How is it possible all of these fake PSA cards are out there to buy? I always felt comfortable buying cards in PSA holders "knowing" they were real. How is someone like me suppose to know now? I mean, that does look like a Mantle in a PSA holder.
That's the question I was trying to ask originally but I wasn't very clear. >>
detroit
I was concerned about the auction, as such, and didn't address that aspect. And it's a great question. The flips have been deleted yet these things look real good? My guess, they don't exist except for the scans?
I sent a copy of this auction to PSA to look at. They never ignore questions of this type and try to get to the bottom of it. This is a serious thing - it goes to the heart of the issue of buying with confidence.
mike
Unless PSA gets on the ball and does something about these s.o.b.'s, then I can't be "sure" any card I buy in a PSA holder is real unless I pull it from a pack and send it in myself.
Okay, so maybe that's an overstatement, but seems to me this is going in a very bad direction.
I don't even know if DaBigHurt can make me feel better now.
That was my situation. I am not the one holding this auction. I just want to set the record straight on this matter. I am not reselling the cards that were sent to me. Besides, PSA took the cards out of the slabs.
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=383081&highlight_key=y&keyword1=fraud
http://forums.collectors.com/messageview.cfm?catid=11&threadid=377599&highlight_key=y&keyword1=fraud
Here is one of the original auctions with Certificate #90331869
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It seems that someone has the ability to duplicate this slip, and maybe the case and is putting fake Mantle's in. Personally, I think they are making fake slips and cracking slabs and inserting the slip and Mantle in there. Wonder how much they've made of this scam.
Lee
Naturally, their eBay sellers have no time to get them authenticated despite the 50x bump in price if they do. They are selling them as possible reprints even though the word "reprint" appears nowhere on the card. They don't know anything about baseball cards, but their Mantles "look old." Selling as is, no refunds, money order only. Bid with confidence, because they have 3 feedbacks for buying $1 Yu-Gi-Oh cards.
We need a "somebody shoot me" icon.
It's the Mantle that is supposedly fake THAT'S IN A PSA HOLDER that concerns me!!
When scammers start stealing scans, posting old flips, or figure out how to take out one card and insert another, then all of us are in trouble. And that includes PSA. The reason I buy PSA is peace of mind in knowing I have an original, authentic, third party graded version of a card. When that's gone, so is my faith/intererst/confidence in PSA.
JMO
<< <i>When scammers start stealing scans, posting old flips, or figure out how to take out one card and insert another, then all of us are in trouble. >>
That's the point I was trying to make when this came up a number of weeks ago. Eventually, the scammers are going to realize (if they haven't already), that selling a fake Mantle, or Mays, or Banks RC draws way too much attention. I think the real problem will be when they realize they can sell fake non-rookie cards of stars from the 50s and 60s, pull in hundreds with each sale, and get away with it for years since it's much less likely that those sales will bring the kind of scrutiny that exposes them as frauds. I also agree that PSA should take the point on this and do it quickly.
I have no idea why they haven't done this since they already have a working relationship with eBay for autograph certification. They wouldn't even need to have an assigned watch dog since there are enough people watching auctions out there who call them with authenticity issues on eBay auctions.