Grades - PCGS Gettin' Tough On Canadian

bosox

It's been my experience of late that PCGS is getting very tough on Canadian, especially cross grades in the holders, and especially the tougher dates. All of these are ICCS MS-65 Reds. I'll now have to decide whether I cut 'em out and submit 'em raw.



LINE # CERT # COIN DATE DENOMINATION VARIETY COUNTRY GRADE
1 21962210 1891 1C Ldll CANADA DNC
2 21962211 1894 1C CANADA DNC
3 21962212 1893 1C CANADA MS65RD
4 21962213 1897 1C CANADA MS65RD
5 21962214 1900-H 1C CANADA MS65RD

Date Received: 04/13/2005
Date Shipped: No Date Specified

oreville

PCGS has always had a pretty tight standard on Canadian copper as far as calling them reds. Tighter than ICCS in my view. Sure, there were few cases in which the reverse may have occurred but it does not seem to happen too often.

ajaan

All the major TPGs have tougher standards for 'RED' than ICCS does. I believe for ICCS the coin only has to be 90% red, while the US TPGs it has to be 98% or so red.

RedPenny

What does "TPG" stand for?

wybrit

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SYRACUSIAN

Regardless of successfull crossovers or not, your large cent set is a delight for the eyes.

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Thank you.

bosox

Red isn't the problem on these two coins. They are 100% red. It's obviously a question of 64 versus 65. They look even better than these pictures through the ICCS plastic.

oreville

bosox: Those toning spots (multiple ones on the 1891 and big single one on the 1894) might have contributed to the DNC at PCGS? Looks like that to me. It is the combination of the grade and a spot free coin?

But nevertheless lovely coins to me!

Why the heck are you trying to get these coins OUT of the ICCS holders????????????????? At the very least, get ICCS to grade them again as a doubled graded coin taped to the PCGS slab.

I try to get my raw Canadian coins INTO the ICCS holders with the exception of the 1875-H 5c 10c and 25c Norweb Specimen coins which Brian Cornwell graded them prior to the 1996 Norweb sale even though they were slabbed by PCGS.

1jester

I don't like ICCS holders because the outer layer is PVC.

RedPenny

I personally like PCGS/ICG holders more than ICCS's.
If I own a rare/expensive coin like bosox's Vicky cent, I will put it into PCGS/ICG holders and get cross grade by ICCS.

oreville

1jester: I tested the ICCS outer holder and it is not PVC.

1jester

Thanks for the information, Oreville!

1960NYGiants

Rob - I know what you mean. Here's mine for this week:

LINE # CERT # COIN DATE DENOMINATION VARIETY COUNTRY GRADE
1 21967661 1896 1C CANADA DNC ICCS 64RD
2 21967662 1886 25C CANADA AU50 ANACS AU50

I thought that the results would be reversed. The ICCS coin is full red. I thought the 25c had too much rub for AU.

I wonder who's grading the Canadian stuff. I am 0 for 8 on my latest ICCS cross attempts (all different coins). Waiting on 5 more (3 ICCS + 2 NGC). Think I'll crack 'em out and try raw.

Gene

bosox

Gene,

I began noticing a real difference in how PCGS grades Canadian about six months ago. It was like HRH, or one of his staffers, woke up one morning and decided from then on that PCGS was going to be the toughest graders of greyside coinage.

I had always thought I understood the differences in grading philosophy between PCGS and ICCS, but the only philosophy at play now by both companies seems to be that they each hate to cross coins in the other's holders.

Very frustrating.

Rob