Is this Jordan the real deal? 10 mins to go...

OSClabs

Ebay Auction - Item #5190428273

OSClabs

I hope so because I just zapped it!

orion9578

probably a fake. I'd ask for a high resolution scan before I sent any money. I also have bought a raw card and it was a fake. GL

PS. I see you bought it from the guy who was selling GEM graded cards(that you happened to post the link to)...

Stone193

Potentially a bad buy - it is hard to trust the item raw - just too many couterfeits out there!

mike

CDsNuts

The blue where his name is is too bright. Not a good card to buy ungraded.

Lee

orion9578

Also on a side note, if anyone remembers...I finally got my refund from my "mint jordan" I bought raw on ebay. There was a fairly large post on it awhile back .

Stone193

<< <i>Also on a side note, if anyone remembers...I finally got my refund from my "mint jordan" I bought raw on ebay. There was a fairly large post on it awhile back . >>


Contratulations!!!! That makes me feel good tonite!

mike

Allen

Even from the poor pic I would say 99% for certain it is fake. The light red on the back should have a slight marble look to it. If I were the high bidder I would rather keep my $162.50 and risk taking a negative. Heck I have one of the counterfiet Jordans I would sell you for only $150 lol. I am sorry for your luck.

Stone193

Here's a quick synopsis of some of the stuff to look at when actually handling the card:

The first counterfeits of the Jordan RC were easily detected by examination of the FLEER/PREMIER Logo in the upper right corner of the card's front - on the real one the red crown, yellow pattern and black "Premier" are made up of SOLID colors - on the fake the elements are seen as dots under a loop.

Also the blue color of the fake card back is LIGHTER than the real one - plus the fleer crown on the upper left side is purple in the real one and only shows as blue in the fake.

On some of the fakes, the word PREMIER with the black line show up as "print dots" on the fake.

There were some that look really good and the best way to detect them is by looking at the "R" on the back next to the NBA logo on the lower left - it's hard to see the "R" clearly on the fake.

As I said and I agree with Allen - this is not a card to be purchasing "raw" on ebay.

mike

orion9578

<< <i>
Contratulations!!!! That makes me feel good tonite!

mike >>



Only took about 4 months....lol. Atleast I got it back .

SHOOTER56

To add what Mike indicated regarding the "R" on the back next to the NBA logo,the "R" should be flush with the pink border,hard to tell by your scan but it looks like the "R" goes below the pink border which definatley indicates a fake.

Jake

Barfvader

Not a bad profit for the seller.

Jordan + others

Allen

Could his GEM 10 Rice have come fro the same lot??? I wonder if it got a hsircut before submition????

OSClabs

Ok guys, now I won't be able to sleep tonight. I should have waited. On an up note, the dude lives 30 miles down the road from me.

Orion, I feel like a retard after reading your post about the other auction (Montana/Rice).

Allen, Mike, Lee, Stone, Jake.... take it easy on me... I'm still a newbie!

btw, should I use PayPal for any defensive reasons?

orion9578

I just wouldn't pay if he wont meet you so you can see it (since he lives so close) or won't send you high res. scans. If you feel it's absolutely nessicary to pay, then yes use paypal and a cc if possible. GL

mealeworm

No you should do what Allen said "Save the money and take the neg"

ldferg

i'm in the boat with orion on this. 30 miles for $160. i'd take the drive and meet if the seller is willing.

mudflap02

If he lives close, and he feels his card is legit, he should have no prblem meeting you for a $100+ item. Offer to pick it up at his house so it's less trouble for him. Sellers of GEM graded cards LOVE the pop in.

Allen

I would save the 30 mile drive because 99.9% this card is fake. If it was me I would offer to cover his fees. If he did not agree I would not pay and risk the neg., though I would consider giving him a retalitory neg. even though you were the sheep, he is still a wolf and I would see no ethical problem with neging this scum. You may want to let him know that as he may not risk blowing his fake/GEM selling cover with a neg.

ldferg

what about this one? fake as well? Jordan

OSClabs

I sent a message requesting high res scans of front and back of the Jordan. I'll post them IF he sends them. Meanwhile, I will hold my PayPal payment until I get an answer. If he ignores my message or gives me the run-around, I'll take a negative. Barfvader, your investigation of his previous purchases nailed it! I think both know that it's a fake. From the current scan, the card looks good enough to grade. Since it was not, I assume they both played "stupid" in their auction description of the card. Turns out, I de stupid one. Damn it!

We'll see.... thank you again all.

Danny

Allen

As they say on Seinfeld: "FAKE....FAKE...FAKE FAKE!"

I am sure from the scan but also note The Bidders ID is protected and all sales are final. Along with his drawn out rambling about he buys cards and doe not think they are reprints but he does not grade cards etc.

My advice to anyone is do not buy a Jordan not in a slab of a reputable company because even if the scan is real it could be a bait and switch.

SHOOTER56

I agree with Allen,The Jordan rookie is just like the 52' Topps Mantle these cards are just way too risky unslabbed.OSClabs please don't pay this loser...you will get burned.CARD IS A FAKE!!

Jake

OSClabs

Allen,

AMEN! I learned a lesson. By the way, would you like another 'fake' Jordan for your collection?

OSClabs

I sent the following email to the seller....

Albert,

I won the auction for the Michael Jordan rookie card yesterday for $162.50. However, I have determined that is a probable fake. After reviewing your purchase history, I can see where you purchased the card in an auction (March) with 9 other cards including the Jerry Rice Rookie that you have in your other auction. I also noticed that the auction where you purchased it had a similar description about the card “might be” a reprint/fake or not.

I would prefer we not get into a feud here so I have a proposal for you. I’ll cover your Ebay costs if you’ll retract the auction with no negative feedback. Again, I will cover your Ebay costs due to my ignorance in bidding on the card (lesson learned). I will not leave negative feedback or contact Ebay if you’ll accept my offer. I apologize for the inconvenience. You may want to watch your tracks when selling premium cards like that one. As for me, I would never intentionally mislead potential customers and if I did by mistake, I would work out a mutual settlement. I’ll be waiting for your response.

Thank you for your cooperation.

Danny


I'll keep you guys posted.

EagleEyeKid

Hey Danny, that fake looks just as good as my 3 fakes that I have. I got these for under $5 each and display them around my house as a conversation piece. They don't say reprint anywhere on the card. The black background is lighter and looks hazy. The red and blue colors are not as rich and vibrant as the original and are of caca poo poo quality; and under a loupe, you can see all the matrix dots for "Michael Jordan". The black line surrounding the card is also not solid, but more of a jagged quality. Good luck getting this resolved.

envoy98

Another dead giveaway (easily visible in a scan even) is the downturn and upturn of the "banner" that says "Premium" under the Fleer crown on the top right. That should be substantially darker orange than the band that says "Premium". From the scans that eagly eye just posted, you can see that the color of the downturn and the banner are identical. Though, some counterfeiters got wise to this and started make them a bit darker. This is reflected a bit on the card to the far right. You'll notice that the orange is a bit different. The original (find a graded one on ebay) is noticeably darker.

There are some other things you can look at without a loupe that will give it away, but it's a lot easier with a legitimate 86/87 Fleer card to compare to. The blue behind the name is darker, not this kind of washed out baby blue. The "(R)" logo on the back should be clearly readable, the fake it is very blurry. The Bulls logo on the back should have his eyes open, again easier if comparing to a real card from the bulls team (not just the Jordan). Also, the backs on the fakes tend to have a ridiculously bright pink color, almost like comparing an OPC to a Topps card if you know what I mean.

Anyway...hope that helps.

Allen

Here is some scans that may help you compare.

Here is a hi-res scan of a fake. If you SaveAs you should be able to zoom in pretty well to see the dots and the fleer flag.


Here is the back, see how the light red is one color where it should be a mable like red and white mix.


The NBA Player's Association Logo- see how grainy it is and the giveaway is the lack of lines on the basketball- the authentic card has lines on the basketball just like a real basketball.



NBA licensed Product- it is always grainy under magnification, the Copyright C is barely visible and you can see all the print dots.

OSClabs

Awesome details guys... your information is appreciated! Next time I attend a card show, I'll take a magnifying glass with me. Man, I haven't been to a card show in ages.

Thank you all for the help.


As of 5:00pm CST, I have NOT received any response from the seller of the MJ Rookie card.

envoy98

Yep, that's definitely a fake.

If I hadn't literally just shipped my MJ rc to PSA I'd scan it for you. I do have a scan of the front, so you can see some of the things we talked about. I didn't scan the back before I sent it in though.

orion9578

Is that the card with the little white dots everywhere or your scanner envoy? Just curious

orion9578

Here is some scans from when I bought my raw Jordan. The other one in the picture has since been sent in to PSA and got an 8 . I can't remember exactly who made the side by side fake picture for me, but it was someone on here .
fake on the right side(bought raw on ebay but since got my money back)

OSClabs

Ryan,

I see the difference clearly now.

Thank you.

Knuckles

Ryan.. I was looking for those jordan pics I made to post to help out but couldn't find em.. glad someone posted them to help out the newbie

orion9578

<< <i>Ryan.. I was looking for those jordan pics I made to post to help out but couldn't find em.. glad someone posted them to help out the newbie >>



lol, I couldn't remember who made them. I knew it was someone on here and it was using my card I picked up in 89(or something) and the fake I got. Thanks for reminding me .

OSClabs

As of this morning, the seller has not responded to my message or email. I have sent him a message through Ebay and emailed him directly. All he has done to this point is generate an invoice for the item.

I'll let you know if I get a response or not.