Question about Ebay Auction - Fleer 86-87 Michael Jordan Rookie

OSClabs · April 30, 2005 3:18PM

Does anyone smell something fishy here? The seller claims the card is a PSA 9.5 which could be an honest mistake. The card is slabbed in a PSA holder, however, the scan is blurry. A bidder posted a question regarding the 9.5 grading and the seller responded by claiming " I made a mistake on the listing. The card is a 9.5 grading by BGS. Sorry for the mix up."

Am I missing something?

Ebay Auction - Item #5190789702

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brianwintersfan · April 30, 2005 3:42PM

And the current high bidder is NARU!!!

Linky-Poo

OSClabs · April 30, 2005 3:53PM

I've been looking on Ebay for a Jordan Rookie at a bargain price (if that's possibe). I noticed that there are many Jordan Rookie "Reprints" on the auction. Is the difference between the '86-87 original' and the 'reprint' the date on the back of the card?

Ebay has gone to hell in a hand basket with all the scammers and crooks. This BOARD has helped me tremendously with researching the auction before bidding.

Thanks to all for the continued help!

Danny

Stone193 · April 30, 2005 4:09PM

Danny
The first counterfeits of the Jordan RC were easily detected by examination of the FLEER/PREMIER Logo in the upper right corner of the card's front - on the real one the red crown, yellow pattern and black "Premier" are made up of SOLID colors - on the fake the elements are seen as dots under a loop.
Also the blue color of the fake card back is LIGHTER than the real one - plus the fleer crown on the upper left side is purple in the real one and only shows as blue in the fake. On some of the fakes, the word PREMIER with the black line show up as "print dots" on the fake. There were some that look really good and the best way to detect them is by looking at the "R" on the back next to the NBA logo on the lower left - it's hard to see the "R" clearly on the fake.

IMO, I would ask the seller for a really good scan of the front and back of the card. I'm not familiar with BGS cards so I'm not capable of making a comment but I think they are just as good as any at detecting a fake?

mike

OSClabs · April 30, 2005 4:11PM

Mike,

I appreciate the info.

Thank you.

SHOOTER56 · April 30, 2005 5:12PM

What a bonehead this seller is! the Jordan pic is of a psa NM-MT 8

Allen · April 30, 2005 6:29PM

Ooops, he made a mistake it is a BGS 9.5 not a $1500 card but a $25,000 card. Please send wads of cash in an envelope, not return address is needed.

BigtimeBowmanfan · April 30, 2005 6:55PM

I have one up in unopened form. The pack is graded 7.5 by GAI, and has the Jordan rookie on the front.

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poolman · April 30, 2005 8:40PM

What is he selling? BGS 9.5 or PSA 8. Be aware with questions- This is the only card he has. I would open the pack!

Stingray · April 30, 2005 10:42PM

Did anyone ask him why the picture is of a PSA 8 and not a BGS 9.5?

Stingray

skigropple · May 1, 2005 12:36AM

LOL, take a look at the auction disc. He explains it all with "Below is just the stock photo; the one I have for auction has a 9.5 PSA rating. Thank you and good luck." He has a high $$$$ card and cannot even take a scan/picture of it for auction. I am sure it will go cheap for a 9.5.

Jim

earlycalguy · May 1, 2005 12:43AM

Danny -

about a month ago there was a thread on the jordan rookie. someone posted a detailed scan of the differences between a fake and real one. look for the old post in the archives.

Joel

OSClabs · May 1, 2005 1:27AM

Joel,

I'm working today but later this evening, I will look for the posting. Thank you.

Stone193 · May 1, 2005 1:37AM

Bigtime
Cool item on ebay!

OS
Did you contact the seller and ask for good scans? This is the only way to get to the bottom of this?

mike

OSClabs · May 1, 2005 1:47AM

Mike,

I did not ask the seller any questions. The more I look at it, it appears that this could be an 'honest' deal, however, I'm not going to pursue this auction based on the original misinformation about the card and the fact that a NARU bidder is involved.

What do you think?

Danny

Stone193 · May 1, 2005 1:52AM

<< <i>Mike,

I did not ask the seller any questions. The more I look at it, it appears that this could be an 'honest' deal, however, I'm not going to pursue this auction based on the original misinformation about the card and the fact that a NARU bidder is involved.

What do you think?

Danny >>

I think there will always be another down the road - I have learned from bad experiences to go with my gut reactiion and pass if I feel uneasy - in the long run, I believe I will win more than lose. There's just too much crap out there. Afterall, why did he have to use a "stock" photo - a scanner can be purchased for less than 100 bucks? Just not sure?

mike

WinPitcher · May 1, 2005 2:06AM

I think I have now seen it all. Guy claims to have a 25k card yet can't even do his listing properly. Anyone who bids on that auction needs to have his/her head examined. Ebay is the toilet bowl of flea markets. BUYER BEWARE should be posted on every auction page.

Steve

notowellint · May 1, 2005 5:51AM

He says he made a mistake. Is he so lazy that he won't bother editing his auction to add a picture of the proper card? Or is he too dumb to know how to do that? Or maybe he's just too cheap to pay 15 cents to add it. Even if all of that were true, if I thought I could get $25k for a card I'd pay someone I knew $20 just to make my listing nice.

MarkLee · May 1, 2005 1:20PM

And guess what! The new high bidder just signed up for a new eBay account TODAY! Sheesh.

GoBravesGo · May 1, 2005 2:19PM

<< <i>I have one up in unopened form. The pack is graded 7.5 by GAI, and has the Jordan rookie on the front.

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I hope you all saw this one (86-87 Fleer PACK - Graded GAI 9) that got over $500 LINK

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