1965 Quarter with 2 "Phantom" P mint marks?? And definite doubling...any input please.

btmoore9

I don't know what this is but am hoping someone can shed some light Should I send this in to have it checked out??

This is on the front of the quarter in the lower right side of the coin. It looks like there are 2 P's there....one on the right and one lower.



This is the reverse side of the quarter and the upper left side of all the letters have doubling









This is on part of the wing on the lower left part of the coin.

cladking

It looks like an obverse die chip, machine doubling, and it's probably damage on the reverse but it's hard to tell.

It's an interesting coin. It appears to be a non-SMS coin with a light rub. This would be very unusual.












edited to add that it looks like a little chip on the T also.

btmoore9

So do you think I should send it in? I am very new at coin collecting and have never sent anything in to anywhere but would if you think it would be worth doing.....also, what is non-sms with rub mean??? Thank you

JRocco

I concur with cladking- I also would not put any premium on this coin.

cladking

<< <i>So do you think I should send it in? I am very new at coin collecting and have never sent anything in to anywhere but would if you think it would be worth doing.....also, what is non-sms with rub mean??? Thank you >>



The '65 quarters were made at three mints in a variety of types and with a few different reverses
in two metallic compositions but were released in only two ways; in a pliofilm package made on special
high tonnage presses and often PL and in bags of 4,000 coins. It is not necessarily possible to always
tell one from another but this coin looks like it's not from the pliofilm package and by rub, I mean that
it appears to have a very light amount of circulation. While the '65 circulation issue (from bag) coins are
not overly scarce since hoarders continued to save new coin well into 1967, they are quite scarce in AU.

If this coin does have light rub I'd guess you got it in change at the coin shop.

btmoore9

Here is a full shot of the front of the coin.

btmoore9

actually no, I got it in change at the post office this morning.

pharmer

If you have a copy of Cherrypickers guide, any edition, there is an excellent discussion of strike doubling versus actual doubled dies, with many pictured examples. If you are interested in doubled dies, knowing the differences is important, and the different types of doubled dies will be useful knowing about also.

cladking

<< <i>actually no, I got it in change at the post office this morning. >>



Cool.

It's a really nice AU with a still lustrous edge. The previous owner may have saved it because of the die chips.

btmoore9

Here is a picture of the back of it. So do you think I should send it in and have it graded??

cladking

Something is bothering me about this coin. Would it be much effort to get a good close-up
of the right side of the leaves on the reverse and the lettering above Dollar including the
tail feathers?

btmoore9

Sure....hold on

MICHAELDIXON

So do you think I should send it in and have it graded??
.
No

btmoore9

Cladking...here is the picture...is this good enough? What is it you are looking at anyway? Am I seeing that there looks to be an extra leaf there or maybe "super" doubled one?

cladking

The common reverse on this coin is the one Hicks calls IIIa. This isn't it.

There is a another he calls IIIo, but this isn't it either. (It looks close) This one is relatively common
but quite tough in better than VG condition. AU would be astounding.

There is a type "b", I believe reported by Wiles. This isn't it. This one is very scarce.

There's a '64 die which is rare. It's a type II if memory serves. It's not this one either.


This one looks like a hybrid of some sort. Let me investigate a while.

cladking

Oh, and by the way Hicks says the doubling on the E is hub doubling. This isn't scarce on these though.

btmoore9

I didn't realize there were different "styles" of the same coin. I just thought they were all the same, just made at different mints. Guess I need to make a trip to the book store and get some coin books to get better educated here....and I think I just might make a trip to ANA as well...maybe take my kids with me.....my 7 year old seems to like this as well. We made a trip to a coin store last week and they gave each of my kids a free little "world coin" and they both just think they hit the lottery!!

csw

I think cladking's depth of knowledge about modern coins is absolutely astounding. Wow!

BigGreek

The doubling you see is strike doubling and not the rare and sought after
die doubling. The Ps are either marks on the coin or a die chip. Ps didn't appear
on coins until the 80s. Before then, the Philadelphia mint coins did not have
a mint mark.

There are cases of dropped mint-mark errors where a mint mark will fall off
a coin and get pressed into another coin, but this is not one of them.

Welcome to the forum! Keep posting your coins!

dorkkarl

common machine doubling, dunno about the alleged "p" mint marks.

K S