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How does this registry OPC 71 Rose get a 8?
balco757
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The card is OC, appears to have a tilt, a print dot, not to mention rough edges around the entire card? If this was my submission, I'd likely get a 6. Opinions?
Steve
The card is OC, appears to have a tilt, a print dot, not to mention rough edges around the entire card? If this was my submission, I'd likely get a 6. Opinions?
Steve
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Loves me some shiny!
If this was my submission, I'd likely get a 6.
Same luck as me. Mine would have gotten a 5
Lee
That is interesting. I could see a 7 if graded Friday afternoon but 8? Hard to believe. Interesting card though, for grading, as the rough cut is the worst part and is (as stated above) ignored by PSA. As also stated above, if it was my card it would have been a 6... if not a 5!
Mike
Late 60's and early to mid 70's non-sports
Old cert#- this may have played a role!
As was said - this is an OPC card with substantial rough cut which looks awful with the black border. IMO, these have to be compared to other OPCs and perhaps, not to the regular Topps issue.
I will have to say, that the centering does "push" the envelope?
mike
GG
Stingray
<< <i>I think the only thing that may not be an 8 is the lower left corner. the scan is blown up to 200% which makes it look a lot worse than it is. without the lower corner , the card could have gone either way, with the corner probably should hve been a 7 but can be justified. not pretty for sure but can be graded as such. for the record , if any of you guys got a 5or 6 on that card , you would all be screaming holy hell as to how your submissions got graded too harshly etc, etc ,etc >>
There's no way that card is even a 7. I have 7s of this set that blow this card away in terms of overall quality. Look at the edge whitening!
This card is a 5, 6 at best.
<< <i>This card is a 5, 6 at best. >>
agree 100%
Besides, the print dots are probably just some reflection from the scanner.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
<< <i>I think the card is graded fine. If I recall correctly, OPC are notorious for being rough cut, no? >>
I know there's no arguing with you, hurt, because you believe PSA to be always right.
I don't need 5-10 minutes of holding the card at different angles to see the whitening of the edges of this card. That has nothing to do with being 'rough cut' it has to do with edge dinging which is very common for 71's. It also is the biggest cause of these cards to lose grades.
I doubt you'd be happy if you bought a PSA8 of any card and got this piece of junk in the mail.
I'm surprised to see how many threads there are questioning PSA grades. You have to have look at it from PSA's point of view (ie what does PSA look for in a card), not your own. In my 6-7 years of dealing with PSA cards, I have noticed that they are lenient on centering, rough cuts in general (not just OPC), and chips in the border or edges. What they do look for is corners that form a solid point and a nice clean surface. All the "eye appeal" everyone uses to judge cards from scans takes a backseat in the grading process.
Take a blank piece of brown cardboard, no picture or anything. Analyaze the surface and the corners and determine the physical condition itself. That is what PSA looks for first and foremost. Then centering, print snow (but not print dots), and such come into play for qualifers.
We all have seen cards with rough edges, print dots, edge chips, 70/30 centering get 9s or 10s. Because they have these "defects" does that mean they are unworthy of the grade? According to PSA's scales, the answer is no. Is a card with a 9 grade and 50/50 all around centering more appealing than a 9 grade with 60/40 + 70/30 centering? Of course... but there are only 10 different grades on the scale. Let's say I took 10 indentical cards, made a 1cm scratch on the first, 2cm scratch on the 2nd..... 10cm scratch on the 10th. Well I can easily put them in order of best to worst condition. But as far as a grading scale goes, would they all get different grades... nope.
The reason why many believe BGS is a tougher grader is they factor in centering, edge chips, and rough cuts with much greater weight. This means a lower percentage of cards would attain the highest grades in comparison to PSA. Does that make them a better grading company? Some might say yes, but I would just say the two judge cards based on different characteristics.
It's amusing to see all the PSA diehards on these boards bash BGS at every oppoturnity, yet they question so many grades PSA has given. How often do you see a BGS card's grade questioned? And just for the record, I do not own a single BGS card, and several PSA cards. Unlike many here, I can offer an impartial view. For all those who think BGS buyers are "brainwashed" into only buying BGS and being anti-everything else, isn't the same true of yourself, only you're in support of PSA and anti-BGS?
Bottom line is the grade is what PSA believes it to be; not what you think it is... if you don't agree then why use their service or purchase their cards?
DBHurt,
Do you HONESTLY believe that PSA spend 5 to 10 minutes on a single card? I know it's a running joke the way you defend PSA on these boards, but come on, ease back on the dope.
<< <i>. I'm inclined to give them the benefit of the doubt since they're the experts on OPC. >>
As one of a small number of OPC enthusiasts, most of the PSA graders are a very far cry from being experts on this issue.
<< <i>We didn't spend 5-10 minutes scrutinizing this card like PSA did
DBHurt,
Do you HONESTLY believe that PSA spend 5 to 10 minutes on a single card? I know it's a running joke the way you defend PSA on these boards, but come on, ease back on the dope. >>
Psst....it is a running joke that PSA would spend more than 30 seconds grading a card. That's what DBH is saying.
I am willing to bet $100 that if someone were to crack that card and submit, it would not come back as an 8.
<< <i>We didn't spend 5-10 minutes scrutinizing this card like PSA did
DBHurt,
Do you HONESTLY believe that PSA spend 5 to 10 minutes on a single card? I know it's a running joke the way you defend PSA on these boards, but come on, ease back on the dope. >>
No. I know him. He isn't being serious, he doesn't back PSA, he isn't their spokesman, he's just a sarcastic SOB.
<< <i>, I have noticed that they are lenient on centering, rough cuts in general (not just OPC), and chips in the border or edges. What they do look for is corners that form a solid point and a nice clean surface. All the "eye appeal" everyone uses to judge cards from scans takes a backseat in the grading process. >>
I agree with this but one would have to ask is why then is PSA so stringent on slamming cards with a minute wrinkle on back that you can't see with the naked eye? Obvious "eye appeal" factors like centering, rough cuts and chips should be graded more harshly than corners and surface 'uneveness', imo, but the opposite seems to be the way it is.
In my opinion, I would grade a card based on the following ranking (from most important to least important):
1. Centering
2. Registration
3. Cut
4. Corners
5. Surface (as in eveness)
In other words, 70/30 centering should not be a 7, let alone an 8. But frayed corners (on white borders) can be 8 because they can only be seen under magnification.
Or maybe even ... Heh.
The only thing nice I can say about that card is...
At least you can be sure it wasn't sheet-cut!
Two minute grading at it's best!!!!