Check out this 1909-S VDB PCGS MS67RD

Shamika

Check out this 1909-S VDB PCGS MS67RD. I remember seeing one priced at $15,000 around 1999 and thinking how insanely expensive that was despite the grade.

I see this one has already been bid up to $40,000+. Oh if only I had a second chance.

klorineforbrains

This could be your second chance.
And posted earlier.

haletj

Watch the prices on the ms67rd 14-p, and say 65rd 20-s. I remember Stewart saying he paid something like $2000 for those dates in the same grade back in the early 90's. $2000! I could have even afforded that!

LincolnCentMan

I remember one about four years ago for $25,000.

David

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS

I still own two of them.

stewart

oreville

Can't figure out from the Heritage pics if the 1909-S VDB cent is full red or closer to a brown/red. Any thoughts on that?

Stew, sounds like you are looking to dispose of one of them when you used the term "still." Am I reading you right?

Not looking for one of them just to clarify my intent. Just to learn.

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS

Oreville - I do not dispose of anything from my collection.Occasionally I place coins in collections of collectors
who are far enough along to appreciate the coins as much as me.
Sometimes I am right and occasionally I am wrong.I have placed several coins in the Tom Mershon collection through an intermdiary.
I did view this 1909 s VDB in ms 67 red and it is gold in color.It is not cherry red nor brown at all.In fact I think it is a nice coin.The only disturbance on the coin is a weakly impressed VDB on the reverse which was caused from stacking after manufacture.

Stewart

oreville

Stew: Indeed...."dispose" was not the right word. A poor choice of terminology indeed. No offense meant.

I did too many tax returns until yesterday this year and they all started to look like "disposing them!"

Stew: One other thing which I did not understand:

You said

<< <i>.........weakly impressed VDB on the reverse which was caused from stacking after manufacture. >>



I am not following you on this point. Could you clarify? I do not know much about the VDB part. I would like to learn.

Shamika

<< <i>I am not following you on this point. Could you clarify? I do not know much about the VDB part. I would like to learn. >>


A question I also would like answered. I understand that the V.D.B. (including the periods in between) are often weakly struck. However, I always assumed that this portion of the die would get clogged with grease similar to the 1922-weak D.

How is it that stacking causes this?

STEWARTBLAYNUMIS

Oreville,
The VDB on the reverse of a mint state 1909 VDB cent as well as an S VDB are as high and sometimes higher than the rim.When the planchet got struck the VDB did not get fully impressed and it looks a bit scratchy.
If you can obtain a proof specimen of a 1909 VDB you will find the wire rim is higher than the VDB and the VDB is ALWAYS crisply impressed.

Stewart

Shamika - The weakly impressed VDB has nothing to do with grease in my opinion.

Proudpapa

Today, Jan 15, 2023, a 1909 S VDB MS67RD sold for $307,000 at auction. ($345,375 with Buyer's Fee). There are only 15 of this grade certified at PCGS. I believe this is a new record for that item.

Proudpapa

I should have said that 1909 S VDB MS67RD that sold for $307,000 was at a Great Collections auction. It was Item #1272808 in case anyone is interested. Amazing how much that coin at that highest grade has appreciated over last few years. PCGS lists it at $140,000 today.

Shamika

Pulling up a post from 2005? Now you're just rubbing it in.

dbldie55

I wonder which of the two sold tonight.

robec

@Proudpapa said:
Today, Jan 15, 2023, a 1909 S VDB MS67RD sold for $307,000 at auction. ($345,375 with Buyer's Fee). There are only 15 of this grade certified at PCGS. I believe this is a new record for that item.

Not surprised. That was Stewart Blay’s.

SoCalBigMark

I wonder how many of the 67's Andy made...

AUandAG

I remember, at a PCGS Vegas show, a S. Cal dealer had a full roll of Red 09svdb's graded in walkthrough. Said they were from a client of his shop (not sure who owned them, him or the client). I was at the table when they came out of grading and watched him open the boxes and we all marveled at the grades. Many MS67's and I spent the whole afternoon drooling all over myself.
bob

rays

@Shamika said:
Check out this 1909-S VDB PCGS MS67RD. I remember seeing one priced at $15,000 around 1999 and thinking how insanely expensive that was despite the grade.

I see this one has already been bid up to $40,000+. Oh if only I had a second chance.

About that time (late '90's) you could find Red examples of the 1909-S VDB in PCGS holders for:
65: $1,500
66: $3,000
67: $15,000

I saw all of these on the bourse in Long Beach. I thought $3000 for an MS66 RED was way too much.

SoCalBigMark

@rays said:

@Shamika said:
Check out this 1909-S VDB PCGS MS67RD. I remember seeing one priced at $15,000 around 1999 and thinking how insanely expensive that was despite the grade.

I see this one has already been bid up to $40,000+. Oh if only I had a second chance.

About that time (late '90's) you could find Red examples of the 1909-S VDB in PCGS holders for:
65: $1,500
66: $3,000
67: $15,000

I saw all of these on the bourse in Long Beach. I thought $3000 for an MS66 RED was way too much.

What year was that?

DCW

@rays said:

I thought $3000 for an MS66 RED was way too much.

It probably should be
But, alas, the demand is always driving the supply

Walkerlover

@robec said:

@Proudpapa said:
Today, Jan 15, 2023, a 1909 S VDB MS67RD sold for $307,000 at auction. ($345,375 with Buyer's Fee). There are only 15 of this grade certified at PCGS. I believe this is a new record for that item.

Not surprised. That was Stewart Blay’s.

I wonder why 15 coins graded is called only 15. Seems a lot for a MS 67 ultra expensive coin. I would use ONLY for a few graded.