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Announcing the ACG Sucks! Message Board

K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
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This has been in the works for a while. It is now operational. One thing I have to really stress is that IP address are not logged, so feel free to voice your opinions!

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  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    We have to use real email addresses. image
    Bill

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    09/07/2006
  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭
    Way cool. image

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>We have to use real email addresses. image >>



    You only need it once to register. Just get a throwaway account at Hotmail or Yahoo.
  • WoodwindWoodwind Posts: 486 ✭
    I love the other user ID name that posted already: acgblowsdonkeys. image
    Lurking proudly on internet forums since 2001
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    Well I would hope that some serious discussion of the issues could take place. We'll see.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    There seems to be a theme going on...
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    vulgar posts, personal attacks, and posting anything that may be considered as copyright/trademark infringement will not be allowed.

    You state that, but then a guy has an ID about donkey penis?? image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I almost forgot- image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    Hey, I figured I would wait until I got a collection together so I could do the bamming all at once.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭
    Hmmmmm, maybe a K6AZ sucks...... nah...
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • cosmicdebriscosmicdebris Posts: 12,332 ✭✭✭
    Too late I wasted a good usernameimage
    Bill

    image

    09/07/2006
  • bgricebgrice Posts: 1,180
    Looks like the admin might have his hands full. image
  • dpooledpoole Posts: 5,940 ✭✭✭✭✭
    They seem to have been thoroughly discredited, and seem to have been absent for some time from shows.

    The victory has been won, it seems to me, as far as the coin market is concerned. And congrats for your part.

    Isn't this beating a dead horse, though?

    Here's a warning parable for coin collectors...



  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭
    lol! Do I see an addendum to a lawsuit and a new "Defendent" on the horizon? Can you sue the computer that hosts the site?
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  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Isn't this beating a dead horse, though? >>



    Or a donkey!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • RussRuss Posts: 48,514 ✭✭✭


    << <i>Isn't this beating a dead horse, though? >>



    The horse isn't dead until the Judge hits it over the head with the gavel.

    Russ, NCNE
    eBay consignment sales | | Collectibles from Resco CCC
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>They seem to have been thoroughly discredited, and seem to have been absent for some time from shows.

    The victory has been won, it seems to me, as far as the coin market is concerned. And congrats for your part.

    Isn't this beating a dead horse, though? >>



    It's a long way from over, look at my link below, ACG vs. The Numismatic World. These people are creating a lot of grief for honest people, and I believe a place for those people to communicate is needed.

    In reference to the user IDs, I've nuked two of them. The board is not for using the kind of IDs one would expect from a teenager.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>lol! Do I see an addendum to a lawsuit and a new "Defendent" on the horizon? Can you sue the computer that hosts the site? >>



    Neil, the Communications Decency Act of 1996 prohibits the suing of a message board operator for content posted on a message board.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭
    My suspicion is that everyone wants to pile on, but everyone's afraid of being added on to the lawsuit.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>My suspicion is that everyone wants to pile on, but everyone's afraid of being added on to the lawsuit. >>



    I went to great lengths to find a host and a message board program that would allow for people to register anonymously. For anyone who wants to discuss ACG without getting sued, it just a simple matter of picking a user ID that no one will recognize, use a throwaway email account, and not fill in the identifying information in the user ID profile.
  • nwcsnwcs Posts: 13,386 ✭✭✭


    << <i>

    << <i>lol! Do I see an addendum to a lawsuit and a new "Defendent" on the horizon? Can you sue the computer that hosts the site? >>



    Neil, the Communications Decency Act of 1996 prohibits the suing of a message board operator for content posted on a message board. >>

    Still probably won't stop them. image Although I thought the CDA was finally thrown out a year or so ago by some liberal judges?
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  • mrearlygoldmrearlygold Posts: 17,858 ✭✭✭
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    Coin's for sale/trade.


    Tom Pilitowski
    US Rare Coin Investments
    800-624-1870

  • robertprrobertpr Posts: 6,862 ✭✭✭
    The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions.

    It says on there that IP addys ARE logged. Also, how can you bam smoebody if you don't know their IP?
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    Where does it say IP addresses are logged? I'm not logging any and I have logging disabled for the message board.

    This particular program allows you to bam with just the user ID.
  • NoGvmntNoGvmnt Posts: 1,126 ✭
    "These people are creating a lot of grief for honest people, and I believe a place for those people to communicate is needed."

    Isn't this precisely what got you guys into trouble in the first place? For crying-out-loud, get a life already.

    Jim
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭


    << <i> Where does it say IP addresses are logged? I'm not logging any and I have logging disabled for the message board. >>

    When we click on "register," we see this (my emphasis added):

    While the administrators and moderators of this forum will attempt to remove or edit any generally objectionable material as quickly as possible, it is impossible to review every message. Therefore you acknowledge that all posts made to these forums express the views and opinions of the author and not the administrators, moderators or webmaster (except for posts by these people) and hence will not be held liable.

    You agree not to post any abusive, obscene, vulgar, slanderous, hateful, threatening, sexually-oriented or any other material that may violate any applicable laws. Doing so may lead to you being immediately and permanently banned (and your service provider being informed). The IP address of all posts is recorded to aid in enforcing these conditions. You agree that the webmaster, administrator and moderators of this forum have the right to remove, edit, move or close any topic at any time should they see fit. As a user you agree to any information you have entered above being stored in a database. While this information will not be disclosed to any third party without your consent the webmaster, administrator and moderators cannot be held responsible for any hacking attempt that may lead to the data being compromised.

    ....

    By clicking Register below you agree to be bound by these conditions.

    I know this is boilerplate and not your personal conditions (I also administer a phpBB board), but this is what people see.

  • BladeBlade Posts: 1,744 ✭
    Oh man - haven't you taken enough of a beating with this?

    "Thank you sir, may I have another!"
    Tom

    NOTE: No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

    Type collector since 1981
    Current focus 1855 date type set
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    OK, being the administrator I didn't see that screen.

    IP addresses are NOT logged, and they are not logged for obvious reasons.
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>Oh man - haven't you taken enough of a beating with this?

    "Thank you sir, may I have another!" >>



    Beating? What beating?
  • BladeBlade Posts: 1,744 ✭
    Eric,
    I assume the lawsuits cost you something financially. Personally, I like to hold on to my money.
    Tom

    NOTE: No trees were killed in the sending of this message. However, a large number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced.

    Type collector since 1981
    Current focus 1855 date type set
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>Eric,
    I assume the lawsuits cost you something financially. Personally, I like to hold on to my money. >>



    I have a higher preference for freedom of speech, and the right to complain about what I feel is a shoddy product.
  • MyqqyMyqqy Posts: 9,777 ✭
    I sense a lot of paranoia about people being able to say what they feel in a digital public forum...... image
    My style is impetuous, my defense is impregnable !
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>I sense a lot of paranoia about people being able to say what they feel in a digital public forum...... image >>



    I get that feeling too. I've spent weeks working on this project to shield people from being identified. It took just the right combination of board program and web host to do it. Obviously, I overlooked the registration boilerplate. I'll correct that tomorrow. Right now I'm tired of playing with php script.
  • MadMartyMadMarty Posts: 16,697 ✭✭✭


    << <i><< I sense a lot of paranoia about people being able to say what they feel in a digital public forum...... >> >>



    I don't know, you ban your 1st 2 posters! Maybe it's a ploy by ACG to collect information and someone hi-jacked Eric's account!
    It is not exactly cheating, I prefer to consider it creative problem solving!!!

  • ss350camaross350camaro Posts: 4,529 ✭
    Looks like only one member has the nuts to post so far image
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>

    << <i><< I sense a lot of paranoia about people being able to say what they feel in a digital public forum...... >> >>



    I don't know, you ban your 1st 2 posters! Maybe it's a ploy by ACG to collect information and someone hi-jacked Eric's account! >>



    Marty, I set the board up for serious discussion. I won't allow it to degenerate into something that looks like a junior high school student pissing contest. Any topic is fair game, even for those who disagree with me. But I am not putting up with juvenile BS.
  • ziggy29ziggy29 Posts: 18,669 ✭✭✭


    << <i>I don't know, you ban your 1st 2 posters! Maybe it's a ploy by ACG to collect information and someone hi-jacked Eric's account! >>

    I am MadMarty@au58weeniecoins.com. I'm registering to say that ACG sucks! image

    Seriously, I'm creating a dummy account with no incoming e-mail (after I acknowledge the response) on a domain I administer for this. I'm looking forward to taking the gloves off.
  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
    ACG is old news, thankfully.

    It should be a warning about all Third World grading services, instead.

    Oh, wait- that's what this site is.

    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

  • TonedPeaceNutTonedPeaceNut Posts: 1,000 ✭
    What if Hager wants to join and uses an anonymous name/email address?

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    TPN
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  • lordmarcovanlordmarcovan Posts: 45,020 ✭✭✭✭✭
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    Collector since 1976. On the CU forums here since 2001.

  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭


    << <i>What if Hager wants to join and uses an anonymous name/email address?

    image
    TPN >>



    Like I said, it's open to anyone, even those who disagree with me.
  • GoYankeesGoYankees Posts: 1,025 ✭
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    As I posted before, I hope these vampires get what they deserve! image
    Ex-modern Collector.

    Photos of the 2006 Boston Massacre
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    Thanks for bringing this back up GoYankees, I have made a major change.

    Valid email addresses are no longer required to join. You can use a bogus address, but be advised you won't be able to get any email notifications.

    Again, and I can't stress this enough, IP addresses are not logged.
  • flaminioflaminio Posts: 5,664 ✭✭✭


    << <i>ACG is old news, thankfully. >>

    As long as there is still a pending lawsuit, ACG is decidedly not old news. For many on this board, ACG is very current news.
  • cswcsw Posts: 432 ✭
    Speech may be 'free,' but it often carries costly consequences. Your anti-AGC Message Board may well carry substantial risk to your ongoing litigation if you don't prevail on your motion to dismiss; no way I would permit a client to institute something like that during the course of a suit. I sympathize with your anger and your plight, but it strikes me as unnecessarily risky.
    image

    Tiger trout, Deerfield River, c. 2001.

  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    << Speech may be 'free,' but it often carries costly consequences. Your anti-AGC Message Board may well carry substantial risk to your ongoing litigation if you don't prevail on your motion to dismiss; no way I would permit a client to institute something like that during the course of a suit. I sympathize with your anger and your plight, but it strikes me as unnecessarily risky.>>

    This was exactly my thought when I first read this thread. I'll bet the ACG lawyers love it, it gives them one more arrow to shoot back.
    Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
  • K6AZK6AZ Posts: 9,295 ✭
    Geez, you guys really shouldn't be making such judgments when you have no concept of consumer law.

    Case law is firmly established in regards to the protection of consumers who post "sucks" sites, especially when said companies do not own the trademarks, such is the case with ACG.

    Now you tell me which is more legally damaging, K6AZ posting a product "sucks" site, or ASA-Accugrade posting my personal information on their site, including my full social security number.
  • stev32kstev32k Posts: 2,098 ✭✭✭
    It's not a question of being legal or illegal - that is not the point. The point is that ACG lawyers can use the site as one more bit of evidence to help their case against you. Likewise you can use the posting of your personal information as a bit of evidence to help your defense. All those things add up, and it is not a good idea to help the other side.
    Who is General Failure, and why is he reading my hard drive?
  • ddinkddink Posts: 2,748
    K6, may be a little paranoid, but what if ACG were to subpoena your registration records to get the throwaway email addresses, then subpoena Yahoo/Hotmail and get IP addresses?...It might be double protection if people used proxy servers to set up their throwaway emails.
    I heard they were making a French version of Medal of Honor. I wonder how many hotkeys it'll have for "surrender."
  • UncleJoeUncleJoe Posts: 2,552 ✭✭✭
    Now you tell me which is more legally damaging, K6AZ posting a product "sucks" site, or ASA-Accugrade posting my personal information on their site, including my full social security number.

    Two wrongs don't make a right.

    IMO the proliferation of new TPG's with unknown and/or unheard of standards is far worse than the "alleged" ills of ACG. This is not to say that there wasn't a concern over the grading standards of ACG particularly when it came to MS grades but I think what we have now is far worse.

    The ACG message board smacks of the same kind of thinking that goes into Laura's wannabe threads. I think they are both bad ideas.

    I wonder if Laura will post to this thread.

    Joe.

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