Baseball: Hall of Fame Complete Set - Opinions/Suggestions
rustywilly
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The PSA registry includes two HOF sets:
1) Baseball: Hall of Fame Players (215 cards)
2) Baseball: Hall of Fame Complete Set (234 cards)
The first allows only player cards (tributes included) but is missing all the executives, umpires, and managers.
The second is a "complete" misnomer. Dozens of players/execs are missing because they only have contemporary tribute cards or "rarities". Cards can only be registered if they were issued during the career according to the HOF plaque. It does not allow vintage player cards of people who are in as managers; or manager cards of players who made a career change after they called it quits.
My solution: Offer a Baseball Hall of Fame - Master Set (career only) and a Baseball Hall of Fame - Basic Set (contemporary or vintage). Both would show the complete list of players/execs/umpires - all 258 members. For either set, if a card truly doesn't exist the player is still listed for reference purposes with the fields blocked for updates. Neither of the two existing registry options above offer this.
1) Baseball: Hall of Fame Players (215 cards)
2) Baseball: Hall of Fame Complete Set (234 cards)
The first allows only player cards (tributes included) but is missing all the executives, umpires, and managers.
The second is a "complete" misnomer. Dozens of players/execs are missing because they only have contemporary tribute cards or "rarities". Cards can only be registered if they were issued during the career according to the HOF plaque. It does not allow vintage player cards of people who are in as managers; or manager cards of players who made a career change after they called it quits.
My solution: Offer a Baseball Hall of Fame - Master Set (career only) and a Baseball Hall of Fame - Basic Set (contemporary or vintage). Both would show the complete list of players/execs/umpires - all 258 members. For either set, if a card truly doesn't exist the player is still listed for reference purposes with the fields blocked for updates. Neither of the two existing registry options above offer this.
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As you know I've recently joined the fray on the enjoyment of HOF set collecting. Your proposal stands with great merit, should be considered and I would be in favor of such an implementation.
I think this would give a fair shot to everyone looking to build this thing the way they want to build it.
Big thumbs up.
Thanks for the energy you've put into thinking about this for the betterment of the HOF collecting experience.
RayBShotz
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One thing is clear - the HALL should be represented in it's entirety.
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<< <i>The second is a "complete" misnomer. Dozens of players/execs are missing because they only have contemporary tribute cards or "rarities". Cards can only be registered if they were issued during the career according to the HOF plaque. It does not allow vintage player cards of people who are in as managers; or manager cards of players who made a career change after they called it quits.
My solution: Offer a Baseball Hall of Fame - Master Set (career only) and a Baseball Hall of Fame - Basic Set (contemporary or vintage). Both would show the complete list of players/execs/umpires - all 258 members. For either set, if a card truly doesn't exist the player is still listed for reference purposes with the fields blocked for updates. Neither of the two existing registry options above offer this. >>
I agree. That would make the HOF set a useful tool as well, one that could be used to reference ALL player/exec/umps in the Hall.
"All evil needs to triumph is for good men to do nothing."
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First off, you have a great Hall of Fame Complete Set. It looks like you have every card but two, Johnny Mize and Oscar Charleston.
After looking at the pop report it looks like Johnny Mize has hundreds of PSA graded cards from his playing years. Oscar Charleston has graded examples from 1924 Billeken and 1924 Aguiltas Cigars (2nd series). Going off of this info, it seems possible to complete the entire set without having to change the rules.
It makes your set that more incredible that you have had to work with a limited selection for some players.
I would prefer to leave the set as it is so the accomplishment of the 100% mark isn't cheapened.
Just my 2 cents. Good luck in the hunt for the next card you are looking for.
-Mike
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keep the player set as is. It is an existing set, and the first HOF set of it's kind. No controversy to keep it as is.
create a new HOF set - Hall of Fame Basic set, which would allow ANY card to be added (players, mgr's, execs, etc)
change the "complete" set to the National Baseball Hall of Fame Master set, which would include the following:
National Baseball Hall of Fame Master Set
Player cards can only be issued during the players career. Exceptions would be a manager card of a player (Lou Boudreau, Ted Williams, etc), and a manager could have a player card issued - Tommy Lasorda for example.
If a player (Cool Papa Bell for example) or "pioneer/exec" (Al Spalding) does NOT have a card issued during their career, a "tribute" card (Perez Steele, Callahan, Fleer, etc) could be used. The Registry could notate those cards with an asterisk. Frank Selee, from what I understand, has only ONE known card (not issue, ONE card) in existence, so it may be fair to make an exception for him ... heck, exceptions were made for Ruth and Wagner with the 48-49 Leaf sets.
This would be the perfect way for a PSA collector to put together a 100% complete set that is not made entirely of Upper Deck game used or modern tribute cards.
This is my first post (I think) on this chatboard.... I am listed as "BKH" on the Registry......
I was the massochistic soul who requested the "HOF Complete Set" initially and I am very happy that it "caught on".....
I basically agree with "rustywilly's" suggestions.... My big concerns when I suggested a a "Complete HOF Set" (I'm not sure I called it that at the time) were that all HOFers be represented and that the set require cards that were issued while the HOFer was doing whatever he did that made him a HOFer in the first place (ie no commemorative cards).... For the most part the current "Complete" set does that except it is on a few subjects (Ruth and Wagner should end when they stopped playing not 1948 etc.). Also, there is some uncertaintly as to what (playing or managing etc.) put certain people in the Hall of Fame that the individuals' HOF plaques perpetuates (I think the HOF web site does at least try to clear up these controversies (although I don't know if the "HOF Complete Set" Registry accurately reflects the HOFs website's determinations).
If we add more HOF sets as suggested I don't see any harm (whatever they are called) ... Nor do I think it would be a bad idea to add the names (but not spaces for cards) for HOFers who did not have cards graded by PSA issued during their HOF careers...
Lastly, with respect to the idea of a HOF Rookie set (extending to before the current post-war set) determining which card is a given player's "rookie" is often fraught with controversy and I think it may sound a lot easier than it is having seen this subject debated with respect to many players ad naseum without resolution. Also a thorough inquiry for many players will often produce rather obscure results that might leave many collectors less than pleased.
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One of the unique and nice features of a set like the HOF Complete Set is, not only do you get to own cards of the greatest players to play the game, but you can also have examples of cards from so many different sets. Unlike the Rookie cards set (more expensive and set specific) this flexibility allows you to choose examples you truly like.
Example; I truly think the 1969 Topps Johnny Bench card stands out for me, as the most stellar Bench example. With the rookie set I would have to use the 68' T Bench and settle for a two player head shot card which I don't find particularly attractive. I certainly feel however that the Rookie set has merit; but it just wouldn't be for me.
The Complete set is gaining in popularity and it is only a matter of time before considering something like Mark's (RustyWilly) suggestion makes sense. Why not now. PSA should give it serious consideration.
RayBShotz
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