It took about 16 hours ...
jmullen
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It took about 16 hours for my mastro restoration thread to be pulled.
Why are my threads the ones always getting pulled?
Why are my threads the ones always getting pulled?
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the interesting/controversial threads always get pulled off. Of course these threads are also the most informative.
Not the fun it use to be on the boards. No fun if you can't criticize, bash , etc.
I feel like a Stepford wife of PSA
I am finding it harder and harder to be a PSA cheerleader.
If it involves PSA...I can fully understand it, but now they are going to protect hobby cronies from honest discussion.
It seems most of the long time PSA collectors eventually sour on the company and are run off.
My time is coming soon I guess.
Loves me some shiny!
Can't agree with you more... Where is the ACLU when you need them the most(lol).
From what I understand,
Collector's Universe can be held accountable for libelous statements posted on their boards.
Seems like a good enough reason to pull a thread to me.
If you want to take responsibility for what strangers post, start your own board ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
HERE IS A LITTLE BREAK DOWN FOR YOU:
Defamation is the result of an attack on the reputation of a person or organization; it includes attacks on a person's honesty, integrity, or virtue which result in public contempt, ridicule, or financial injury.
Fair comment: this common law defense guarantees the freedom of the press to express statements on matters of public interest, as long as the statements are not made with ill will, spite, or with the intent to harm the plaintiff.
Libel per se describes statements which are widely understood to be harmful to a person's reputation. For example, referring to an individual as an alcoholic or criminal, or any description which would lower the reputation of that individual in the eyes of others. These words are harmful and libelous.
Libel per quod statements are interpreted as non-harmful except when seen in a particular context. For example, an individual is reportedly seen patronizing an adult novelty store. While this statement in itself may not be libelous, the fact that the person is a Catholic priest would be; the reputation and lifestyle of the individual would be adversely affected by this kind of statement because of his occupation.
Limited Pubic Figure is a private citizen who has voluntarily thrust him or herself into the public eye over a particular controversy to influence the resolution of a public issue. May have to prove 'actual malice' to win a libel case.
Malicious Falsehood is similar to defamation, but proof of damage is not necessary as with defamation -- defendants must only prove the statement was false and published maliciously.
Private Persons are not in the public eye and do not have direct access to media. These people do not need to prove 'actual malice' in a libel case.
Public Figure refers to any person who receives frequent media attention, or is well-known in a particular area. Public figures who make claims of libel must prove 'actual malice' to succeed in such a case.
Public Principle refers to the heavier burden of proof carried by public figures such as entertainers and politicians than that carried by private citizens. Public principle is grounded in the belief that these persons ought to expect a thorough examination of their public actions. Also, public figures have an advantage over private citizens because they have access to the media to respond to criticism.
Punitive Damages are awarded to plaintiffs to punish the defendant. In a standard libel suit, if the plaintiff is a public figure they must show that the statement was made with 'actual malice'; private people are only required to prove negligence.
Reporter's Privilege protects the fair reporting of facts, as long as they are not libelous.
Retraction is an attempt by the plaintiff to correct a defamatory statement by a published or broadcast admission of guilt. The retraction of a defamatory statement may, in some states, lessen the awarded damages.
Slander is a separate charge from libel; it is a false and unprivileged verbal statement which does not originate in print.
Slander of Goods is a version of malicious falsehood in which the plaintiff's goods are spoken of in a negative light, leading to a defamation of the good.
Slander of Title is a rare form of malicious falsehood in which the plaintiff abuses the title of, or falsely entitles the defendant or his or her ownership of property. Calling a local sheriff the Sheriff of Nottingham (after the infamous criminal Sheriff of Nottingham in The Tales of Robin Hood) would be a 'slander of title.'
Special Damages: plaintiffs who seek additional damages, called special damages, are required to prove the libelous statement caused specific monetary losses.
Truth in the questioned statement is the absolute defense to any libel case.
I DEAL WITH THIS STUFF ON A DAILY BASIS.
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
Hey the Dabighurt commented after me. I guess i should feel honored.
<< <i>From what I understand,
Collector's Universe can be held accountable for libelous statements posted on their boards.
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Should I then assume that every other post on the 'open' forum gets pulled?
BOTR
T206's are always being bought.
aloof1003@comcast.net
BigtimeBowmanfan - could you provide a link or at least a title for the open forum thread ?
Carew29 - thank you for the definitions. If you were making a point, could you please summarize it ?
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
link
T206's are always being bought.
aloof1003@comcast.net
Point would be, if you attack anything that PSA has on their homepage, as in MAESTRO,SUPERIOR,any card dealer ad they post, consider your thread deleted. You have each other's e-mail on this website if you choose to give it out and you can inform each other that way. I will assume PSA is saying--"my board, my rules".
Just my humble
Although your thread is gone, those of us fortunate to view it learned a lot. We may never look at their offerings the same way as before. With restoration rampant, what/who can we trust anymore?
Why is a famous collector selling about 90% of his cards?
Chris
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A couple of important points made in the deleted thread before it was pulled :
by dude :
"The problem with even a full and detailed disclosure
is that the next party that buys that same item two or three years later
stands a good chance of not being informed of those modifications."
by mikeschmidt :
"The hobby has largely demanded lower grading fees for cards.
Heck - most PSA submissions today pay a fraction of what they did 3, 5 or 7 years ago.
The same is true for all the major grading companies.
A direct result of lower fees to us collectors is less time spent
on grading, analyzing and double-checking the analysis of cards."
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
the cost of grading coins has gone significantly and the average coin its still graded within 5 to 10 seconds.
But then again maybe if PSA raised prices would be a slowdown in summisions which would lead to a slowdown and PSA would have to fire a few graders. So the grading room would have less inexperience rookie graders and more consistancy at least in the grading aspect.
Groucho Marx
Is there any proof?
All I saw before was rumor.
jmullen-- since you seem to have an uncanny knack of getting threads deleted, why don't you start you own blog and voice your hobby concerns there?
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jmullen-- since you seem to have an uncanny knack of getting threads deleted, why don't you start you own blog and voice your hobby concerns there? >>
It's not fair to single out one person. We all discuss controversial issues regarding the hobby. That's what's great about the message boards and enable us to look out for one another. There is no need to single out jmullen and email him threatening messages.
Huh? Did I miss something?
<< <i>I disagree with the comment by Marc,
the cost of grading coins has gone significantly and the average coin its still graded within 5 to 10 seconds.
But then again maybe if PSA raised prices would be a slowdown in summisions which would lead to a slowdown and PSA would have to fire a few graders. So the grading room would have less inexperience rookie graders and more consistancy at least in the grading aspect. >>
I'm not sure what coin grading has to do with card grading.
It takes A LOT more time to grade a card than it does a coin. None of us have ever stood over the shoulder of a grader to time his grading of cards, but I would imagine the graders at PSA spend an average of 5-10 minutes or so on each card they grade. Unlike coins, you have edges, corners and centering to worry about in card grading. Then you have to make sure they're not trimmed and there is no alteration done to the card. This takes time and let's not even get into the time spent when graders have to discuss a particular card that is a borderline grade.
I don't want ANYTHING to slow down the PSA grading process. That means no graders notes, no subgrades, NO NOTHING. PSA is absolutely great the way it is. Nothing should be changed. Those that are wondering how PSA can fine tune their grading? If you don't like it, DONT SUBMIT your cards to them! You want subgrades and that garbage? Take it to the clowns at BGS/GAI/SGC!
GO MARLINS! Home of the best fans in baseball!!
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That link didn't work either... I guess they pull it.
<< <i>None of us have ever stood over the shoulder of a grader to time his grading of cards, but I would imagine the graders at PSA spend an average of 5-10 minutes or so on each card they grade >>
I have done just that. You are way off, it takes about 30 seconds add about another 30 sec. if they have to measure the borders.
onlychild,
Thanks, I am glad I wasn't the only one who thought that.
onlychild's adopted grandma is a card grader,
so he definitely knows what he's talking about ...
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
<< <i>onlychild's adopted grandma is a card grader >>
Correctimundo...and she is the best! Although not the most popular.
Redneck comedy quote--"I don't care who you are, that's funny right there. GIT'R DONE"!!! 5 to 10 minutes to a grade a card? Are you kidding me? I have been to the last 3 Nationals. There is no way they could have graded as many cards as i saw come in at 5 to 10 minutes a card. As i'm a betting man, i'll take some that action, Bighurt....
1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
<< <i>I would imagine the graders at PSA spend an average of 5-10 minutes or so on each card they grade >>
That's absolutely laughable.
ebay id: nolemmings
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<< <i>I would imagine the graders at PSA spend an average of 5-10 minutes or so on each card they grade. Unlike coins, you have edges, corners and centering to worry about in card grading. Then you have to make sure they're not trimmed and there is no alteration done to the card. This takes time and let's not even get into the time spent when graders have to discuss a particular card that is a borderline grade.
I don't want ANYTHING to slow down the PSA grading process. That means no graders notes, no subgrades, NO NOTHING. PSA is absolutely great the way it is. Nothing should be changed. Those that are wondering how PSA can fine tune their grading? If you don't like it, DONT SUBMIT your cards to them! You want subgrades and that garbage? Take it to the clowns at BGS/GAI/SGC!
That is a misinformed statement, the graders spend less than 1 minute per card on average, it is presumptiously ridiculous to portray the notion that they spend 5-10 minutes on each card. What ARE you smoking?