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  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
    As long as TO is in an Eagles uniform, I'll root for him, but considering how close the Eagles were to winning a Super Bowl and considering everything else I think TO should seriously consider some psychiatric counseling. Seems like nothing will ever please him and that's a shame for him. But I couldn't care less if TO "can't get no satisfaction" as long as he helps the Eagles win.
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    Funny, I was just watching my 2002 bucs video and I got to watch TO shut it down against a great Bucs D. The guy didn't
    even show up! He needs to stop what he is doing and look down at his hands....hey no rings! I guess he is blaming his lack
    of ring wear on Garcia and McNad?? thats weak!

    JS
  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
    TO's comment about McNabb did tick me off a little bit. McNabb played his f***ing heart out in that game. TO did also but that being said - TO's got a lot of growing up to do.
  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Is there a bigger butthead in professional sports than Terrell Owens? (Other than A-Rod, that is?)

    Forget about how much talent he has - he makes it virtually impossible for you to root for him.
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  • TO will never lead any team he plays on to win hardware. He is the typical new millenium "ME" type player... he is infinitely talented but apparently still does not understand what it is all about. His best chance was last year, and now the Eagles are running out of time imo.

    He is a fantasy football monster however...
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭
    Does anyone possibly think that the problem with philly winning it all IS McNabb? He's choked repeatedly in the biggest games of his career, while all TO has EVER done is perform to the max. I am no TO fan, but for Eagle fans to jump all over TO without the least bit of suspicion that McNabb is the fault is ludicrous.

    People are so quick to label malcontents...look at Corey Dillon. Largely labelled as a trouble maker with the Bengals, when all he was was frustrated with being in a bad system.

    As far as TO 'never leading his team to the hardware' THAT'S NOT HIS JOB. It's the QB's job to lead...to be the field general. McNabb may be a helluva nice guy (I don't proclaim to know), but McNabb has never stepped up and won the 'big one'.
  • I agree with you, but since Owens is the best player at his position on the Eagles (probably the best receiver in football period), and has the type of game breaking ability that not even McNabb possesses vertically, I believe that in order for the Eagles to grab the elusive "gold ring", Owens MUST lead, considering he accounted for more than 1/3 of the total offense. It is only natural for him to assume that role since Mcnabb to date hasn't been able to make the correct clutch decision at the right time a la Montana, Bradshaw, Elway etc.

    Unfortunately for Philly, Owens has been a cancer (benign/malignant depending on what side of the fence you are on) everywhere he has played, and I for one am not holding my breath as to when TO will ultimately turn over a new leaf and play more of Riceian role en route to an NFL title.

    The fact that Philly has not won a title yet in spite of the talent, coaching, and defense they employ on a week-to-week basis is a joke... Owens was supposed to be the last piece of the puzzle, but until Philly wins the BIG one, he'll be just another player to blame.
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    TO may not have even said it. No worries here ...

    Axtell, I will admit it. There have been times during the Super Bowl and after that I wonder about McNabb and his ability.
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  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
    WTF with the McNabb bashing? McNabb has had a tremendous career so far. The Eagles blew through most teams last season and only lost the Super Bowl by three points to a better team. If having to choose one on your team, would you take McNabb or TO? McNabb of course! McNabb only just completed his sixth season. That is still considered young for a quarterback in the NFL and everyone who understands NFL football knows that. Brady is the exception but how many quarterbacks won Super Bowls in their first six seasons? I'm sure there hasn't been many. McNabb is a winner - plain and simple.
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>WTF with the McNabb bashing? McNabb has had a tremendous career so far. The Eagles blew through most teams last season and only lost the Super Bowl by three points to a better team. If having to choose one on your team, would you take McNabb or TO? McNabb of course! McNabb only just completed his sixth season. That is still considered young for a quarterback in the NFL and everyone who understands NFL football knows that. Brady is the exception but how many quarterbacks won Super Bowls in their first six seasons? I'm sure there hasn't been many. McNabb is a winner - plain and simple. >>



    Who was bashing McNabb? I was simply curious why he always gets a pass (whether it's the fans or the media) on his big game winning ability. TO has ALWAYS put up numbers...and he knows his role. It's hillarious, there are people who would chastize him for not being more vocal if he was a wallflower, and there are those that will crucify him for speaking his mind.

    A player like TO really can't win. No matter what he does, he is going to get blasted. His injury? He either stays out the season and people call him 'selfish' for not sacrificing pain for the team, he comes in and people call him selfish for maybe not being 100% and putting his own wants ahead of the team.

    And if I had to choose McNabb or TO? are you kidding me? Give me TO 100 times out of 100. McNabb is easily replaced...he's a good quarterback, but that's just it...he's simply GOOD. TO is GREAT, arguably the greatest receiver of this generation.

  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭


    << <i>Funny, I was just watching my 2002 bucs video and I got to watch TO shut it down against a great Bucs D. The guy didn't
    even show up! He needs to stop what he is doing and look down at his hands....hey no rings! I guess he is blaming his lack
    of ring wear on Garcia and McNad?? thats weak!

    JS >>



    This will all blow over. TO is blowing smoke for his new agent and testing the waters on renegotiation. The Eagles will restructure his existing contract, giving him more sooner rather than later and claim they did not renegotiate. They have done it before.

    Joe Banner is one of the top two best front office guys in the league. He knows what he is doing. The TO deal favors the team after the first year, just in case he caused too much trouble and they needed to cut him loose.

    Why don't we talk about the Bucs going 12-20 since obtaining their "Tony Dungy Super Bowl" ring.

    Yes, I would take the Eagles record in 2002, 2003, and 2004 over the Bucs ring and their record since then. If you are going to win it all at least be consistent.

    The Bucs wish they had these problems. They just had Keyshawn and figured he was expendable. Yeah, like last year when all the receivers were injured. John "Gungha Gatorade Din" Gruden is gone after '05.

    You'll excuse my exuberance. I'm looking at the Eagles '05 schedule and picking which games I will use from my season tickets. image

    And...if McNabb is such an average QB I guess you would rather have Johnson, Griese, or Simms huh?
  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< And if I had to choose McNabb or TO? are you kidding me? Give me TO 100 times out of 100. McNabb is easily replaced...he's a good quarterback, but that's just it...he's simply GOOD. TO is GREAT, arguably the greatest receiver of this generation. >>>

    Without agreeing at all with your McNabb/TO comments....If I'm an NFL coach and had to choose, I'll take a good quarterback over a great receiver everytime. This point isn't even debatable.
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    McNabb will win the Super Bowl. So will TO.

    Most importantly the Eagles will.
    collecting various PSA and SGC cards
  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i><<< And if I had to choose McNabb or TO? are you kidding me? Give me TO 100 times out of 100. McNabb is easily replaced...he's a good quarterback, but that's just it...he's simply GOOD. TO is GREAT, arguably the greatest receiver of this generation. >>>

    Without agreeing at all with your McNabb/TO comments....If I'm an NFL coach and had to choose, I'll take a good quarterback over a great receiver everytime. This point isn't even debatable. >>



    Hmm odd that a good quarterback (i.e. a 6th rounder) has won 3 of the last 4 super bowls. And Brad Johnson will never be mistaken for a great quarterback, but he's won a super bowl too.

    This point isn't even debateable? Are you kidding me?
  • joestalinjoestalin Posts: 12,473 ✭✭
    Shaun King looked better in post season action back in 1999, his rookie year, than has McNad did in all his championship game appearances!

    JS
  • stevekstevek Posts: 28,927 ✭✭✭✭✭
    <<< Shaun King looked better in post season action back in 1999, his rookie year, than has McNad did in all his championship game appearances! >>>


    Shaun King look better than Donovan McNabb? No way! Shaun King??? Shaun King??????????


    <<< And Brad Johnson will never be mistaken for a great quarterback, but he's won a super bowl too. >>>

    That's exactly what I said! Good quarterbacks can win Super Bowls. There can be three Jerry Rices going out for a pass and if the quarterback can't accurately get the throw out there - it all doesn't matter.


  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


    << <i>
    That's exactly what I said! Good quarterbacks can win Super Bowls. There can be three Jerry Rices going out for a pass and if the quarterback can't accurately get the throw out there - it all doesn't matter. >>



    Too bad McNabb can't get the ball there.
  • SoFLPhillyFanSoFLPhillyFan Posts: 3,931 ✭✭


    << <i>Too bad McNabb can't get the ball there. >>





    << <i> Shaun King looked better in post season action back in 1999, his rookie year, than has McNad did in all his championship game appearances! >>



    Oh my....you guys really are stuck in the past. Do you still wear Zubaz pants and mullets too?

    1. The Bucs have missed the post season since '02 right?

    2. Watch the Eagles post season games from '04 and then tell us McNabb can't get the ball there.

    3. TO's performance in the Super Bowl goes down in history as one of the most gutsy ever. Just for kicks.....who was throwing to him?

  • AxtellAxtell Posts: 10,037 ✭✭


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    << <i>Too bad McNabb can't get the ball there. >>





    << <i> Shaun King looked better in post season action back in 1999, his rookie year, than has McNad did in all his championship game appearances! >>



    Oh my....you guys really are stuck in the past. Do you still wear Zubaz pants and mullets too?

    1. The Bucs have missed the post season since '02 right?

    2. Watch the Eagles post season games from '04 and then tell us McNabb can't get the ball there.

    3. TO's performance in the Super Bowl goes down in history as one of the most gutsy ever. Just for kicks.....who was throwing to him? >>



    Yes the bucs have sucked since their super bowl win. Salary cap problems forced by poor decisions, and the trades for the draft picks have hindered the team. Not making excuses, just giving reasons.

    I don't suspect the bucs will finish over .500 this year, but with a healthy number of draft picks, the team will be more than competitive next season.

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