Did I get a good deal on my '96 SI for Kids PSA 10 Woods purchase...?

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 4:14AM

After Tiger chipped in on 16 en route to his 4th Green Jacket (only palmer and Nicklaus have won 4 or more), I decided to bid on the 1996 SI for kids RC PSA 10 I have had my eye on (second time listed apparently) that the seller so eloquently described and sucked me in with; I have seen my share, and this one is indeed one of the top examples I have seen with no bleed and the entire golf club visible on the left border. SMR on the card is/was $7500.00 as of the April issue, and I managed to wrangle the card for $3799.00. The auction has ended and the seller prefers paypal, although I prefer to send cashier's checks. I personally believe el Tigre will win more Green Jackets than Jack. All that said, did I get a good deal? I kinda feel like I stole the thing at this point, about 45% below book...

I mean, the market won't just drop out below on the best looking Woods '96 SI PSA 10's will it ? I mean, not if Tiger is back to form since his swing changes have taken place successfully right? Clearly the guy has been distracted with his recent marriage, his father's failing health, the media's questions and badgering (will end soon if not already)... but he looks like a winner again, and I like to buy low.

thanks for any and all opinions everyone...

Knuckles · April 11, 2005 4:30AM

I have no idea but whenever I read things like this it makes me cry.. I had the stinkin mag/card when I was 16.. it was garbaged.

Stone193 · April 11, 2005 4:40AM

TM
Have you got a scan? And have you checked for the sale of recent 10s? I know that his cards have crapped out but in light of this weekend? Who knows? That is a lot of money one way or the other...I wish you the best of luck and hope the card goes thru the roof!

mike

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 5:10AM

Thanks guys. No scan necessary. The auction for the card just ended last night, AFTER Tiger's win incredibly... Just check auction # 5179648039... huge scan given, and the scan should still be up.

The thing looks just as perfect as the description to me... I am a Pro myself, and know how difficult the game is. There is nobody, NOBODY that can do the things that Tiger can imo.

sprintcards · April 11, 2005 5:20AM

I am a big follower of this card and just about every other Tiger Woods rookie card. I think you did ok on this card being that it is a very nice example. I was actually considering bidding on it, but I decided against it. I've seen BGS 9.5's of this card sell for as low as 1300 to 2000 in the past 4 months and I remember seeing another PSA 10 sell for around 2500. There are a lot more BGS 9.5's and PSA 10's than there were when this card was a 10k card. I think Tiger will have to do A LOT of winning and it will take years before that card reaches that level again, if it ever does. Don't ever follow SMR on Tiger's cards because the prices are all out of whack. I don't think anyone tracks the sell of his rookie cards for that magazine and I think they just think of a # in their head and throw it in the magazine. I personally think that magazine is a joke. All in all I think you did ok if you are going to hold onto it for a long time. I would have been happy to get it around 3k, so I guess you can judge from there if you got a good deal or not.

Joe

sprintcards · April 11, 2005 5:26AM

Also I'm just curious and you don't have to say if you don't want to, but what was your max bid on the Tiger you won? I just want to know because I was considering bidding on it. Thanks,

Joe

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 5:34AM

The card hit my max bid exactly. $3799. This is curious to me because I find many auctions I have won end near or on my high bid... a shill probably bid me up making sure the card sold for over $3500.00. What was your max bid btw?

I didn't even think I'd win the auction quite frankly, but I am glad I did. Is this one of the finest PSA 10's you have seen of this card? Looks like the tops to me... I still think Tiger is just getting started this year... he'll win another major in '05 imo easy, but which one I do not know as he has already one them all before. If he should win 2 more I'd think this card will spike significantly... it's all about majors now...

koby · April 11, 2005 5:38AM

Wasn't that card $110,000 a few years ago?

sprintcards · April 11, 2005 5:43AM

I actually didn't bid on the card. I was going to, but decided not to after it broke 3k. I was considering putting in a bid of 3500, but I just decided against it. Yes it looks like a very nice card, but I couldn't tell you for sure unless I actually had it in hand to look at it. If I were to see this card in person and was able to really look it over I would have paid 5k for it if it was as nice as the seller says. I've seen, owned, and sold a lot of these cards in all grades. I think you did good and if you hold onto it for some years down the road I think you will be happy. Who knows you might even sell it to me someday.

Joe

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 5:44AM

She topped out @ $125,000.00 when it looked like Tiger would never lose another golf tournament... silly of course, but the powers that be held back/hoarded stacks of mags in order to create a scarcity issue. PSA 10's ARE scarce, to be sure, but I have a feeling most of the 10's out there are already holdered. Some magazine issues just aren't entered well enough to even warrant removing the card, as the mags still sell for in excess of $150-200...

JW · April 11, 2005 5:52AM

I was also watching this auction and I can't tell you if you got a good deal or not. The BGS 10 in the last Superior auction did not meet its reserve or was pulled from the auction. I do know that the population on these keeps going up. There are now 16 PSA 10's (out of 1,123 graded) and 24 BGS 9.5 (out of 123 graded with one BGS 10). I would eventually like to own one, so congratulations on your purchase.
JW

GoBravesGo · April 11, 2005 6:00AM

<< TM
Have you got a scan? And have you checked for the sale of recent 10s? >>

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 6:03AM

thanks for the scan braves...

DaBigHurt · April 11, 2005 6:09AM

It's hard to say if you got a good deal. If you bought the card because it's the 'holy grail' of cards for you, then you got a great deal. If you bought the card, hoping that Tiger will win a few more majors in the next year or two and thus doubling or tripling your investment, that's a lot murkier.

I'm glad you didn't put down $4k on a BGS piece of crap. Most of their cards are trimmed anyway and not worth the magazine they were cut out of.

yawie99 · April 11, 2005 7:15AM

<< I mean, the market won't just drop out below on the best looking Woods '96 SI PSA 10's will it ? >>

I'm a little late to the thread, but as others have indicated, it already has. I mean, you purchased yours for 3 percent of what the card sold for at its high-water mark. Three percent!!! That said, I think your card could appreciate in value, but I think it will depend more on Tiger than on the Pop Report.

FMS · April 11, 2005 7:31AM

I think you got an ok deal.. I would not hold much weight on the SI Kids card. Look how many 10's and 9.5's there are now of those. I think the ones you should sink that kind of money in, (if you are collecting golf in hops of Tigers cards going up) are the SP Gold RC's or the rare SOTT's. I would much rather have a major issued RC then the kids card. Not to mention they are autographed. SP is the only way to go for investing in Tiger. And there will alway be a more limited amount then the Kids card.

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 7:56AM

Good point about the SOTT card... it sounds like you are into auto's, I am really not. I am looking for the card that is the best example of the issue first and foremost. I think the card has a physical uniqeness to it (perforations) and an almost pre-rookie quality to it, the card being issued before he turned pro in earnest or won a major for the matter. I have no plans on selling the card until Tiger surpasses Nicklaus in major championship titles, a conclusion I wasn't comfortable arriving at over the last 2 years but one that I am starting to view as a reality. I think he can win the Masters alone at least 3-5 more times considering he has about 15-20 more legitimate opportunities to do so. All that said, I think this card got waaaay ahead of itself, but that is the trend in the higher flying rookie sportscard market. Percentage-wise, I'd say this particular RC could appreciate quite a bit from these levels when compared to the rise and fall and modest recovery of the '86 Fleer Jordan PSA 10. That is the best comparison I can come with and I believe Tiger is more dominant than Jordan was, and Tiger's career is just beginning.

FMS · April 11, 2005 8:02AM

I agree with Tiger's career is just starting. But I guess I am in the minority when I say that I dont see the SI Kids card being his rookie. Would you still consider it a rookie if psa or beckett decided not to grade it? I just think in the long run, the major manufacture wins. Expecially with the limited amount of rookies and the Autograph. Not many people consider the STAR card of Jordan to be "the" rookie... Its the one by the major manufacture. Just my 2 cents.

Coolidge · April 11, 2005 8:03AM

<< I do know that the population on these keeps going up. There are now 16 PSA 10's (out of 1,123 graded) >>

Yeah, and many of those 10's were formerly 8's that were purchased on eBay by syzygy.

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 8:08AM

syzygy? Did this person just buy well centered 8's and clean up the perforations with a scalpel or something? I am not sure I understand...

Ahmanfan · April 11, 2005 8:13AM

<< It's hard to say if you got a good deal. If you bought the card because it's the 'holy grail' of cards for you, then you got a great deal. If you bought the card, hoping that Tiger will win a few more majors in the next year or two and thus doubling or tripling your investment, that's a lot murkier.

I'm glad you didn't put down $4k on a BGS piece of crap. Most of their cards are trimmed anyway and not worth the magazine they were cut out of.

>>

I'm yet to hear a non-slanderous post that is actually attempting to discuss a topic and not promote PSA... Why are you here?

Coolidge · April 11, 2005 8:15AM

<< syzygy? Did this person just buy well centered 8's and clean up the perforations with a scalpel or something? I am not sure I understand... >>

Link

That should help. Use the search function for even more information.

DaBigHurt · April 11, 2005 8:35AM

Why do you people bring up the past for? To paraphrase Mark Mcgwire, "leave things in the past in the past!"

This gentleman was very happy with his purchase and now you people provide links to some ALLEDGED trimmer who received some PSA 10 Tiger Woods SI cards? I mean, come on! This is what gets me so gosh darn angry about the boards. TOO MUCH NEGATIVITY!!

We don't know if Sygyzy or whatever his name is trimmed any cards. We weren't there when the cards were graded by PSA. I mean, how the hell can you trim cards that were suppose to be cut out of SI to begin with?!?! That makes no sense whatsoever!! As far as I'm concerned, those cards were graded by PSA 10 and they're gem mint to me. If they thought there was anything wrong with the cards, they would've gotten rejected. That's the bottom line.

Anyway, I would strongly advise those that support and love PSA like I do to avoid the old threads being dredged up. Those old threads are filled with nothing but bile and people who don't know what the heck they're talking about.

softparade · April 11, 2005 8:49AM

DaBigHurt

dude, if you were around 20+ years ago pitching the Delorian it would have become the all time greatest sports car by now

kengoldenisthedevil · April 11, 2005 8:58AM

I collect some of tigers cards and won't buy the si card. The pop is just going to keep going up and up as there is still a lot of product out there waiting to be graded.Personally i would have bought (like spoken about already) the psa 10 of his 2001 sp gold # to 100.You know there is a finite number of those and i think that will be his "jordan" card 10 years down the road. I dont think bidding on his card the day he won the masters is wise as you get that stock market "herd" mentality. Its like buying on good news in the market.Just my opinion though and if i had a buck for every time i was wrong i'd have a few psa 10's of tigers sp myself...

Stone193 · April 11, 2005 9:06AM

I know that some grading companies may holder trimmed cards - hopefully inadvertent - but the perforations on the SI card would make it pretty obvious if someone tried to trim the edges...even with a laser - under 10X, a cut rather than "torn" perforation should be quite evident for a professional grader IMO.

mike

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 9:11AM

Thank you for the links, and if syzygy found perfectly centered 8's that had very sloppily cleved/seperated perforations accounting for the lower grade, then I cannot blame him for making a card that is allowed to be trimmed look better. I do condemn him for trimming cards issued in packs/genuine though... to boot, I doubt PSA will grade a '96 SI Woods RC without perforations clearly showing anyway, to back up dabighurt's points. The centering on this one looked particularly flawless and I too noticed the entire club and some blue-background btw the iron and the left border showing, and it appears that this card's perforations have only been cut one time; the surfaces on these particular cards isn't terribly problematic as long as they are crease free.

I started this thread because I just decided to make a small investment (compared to some others

and was curious to know what the more experienced collectors thought of it. I always try to find value, and considering there are 40+ '86 Fleer Jordan PSA 10's and they are worth $5-7K a piece, I figured that since there are less than 20 '96 SI for Kids RCs PSA 10's and they have been around for almost 10 years, the better examples from the best-centered batches of magazines may have already been unearthed and graded; greed from the historic $125,000.00 and well publicized purchase having taken over to hit the quick payday.

I suspect the drop below $10,000.00 for this card in particular occurred because collectors got nervous and sold, getting what they could for golf's former king, taking a loss in the deal; Vijay, Mickelson, Goosen's recent successes and Tiger's drought still fresh in their minds. I think the seller of the card I bought now wishes he had set a higher reserve in case Tiger had won the tourney, but who knows. I really think I have bought at the bottom here, but only time will tell.

DS1991TOPPSCards · April 11, 2005 9:18AM

HOOAH!

I JUST LOVE THIS FORUM...

If we didn't support PSA we would not be using this message board.

Ahmanfan · April 11, 2005 9:44AM

<< Why do you people bring up the past for? To paraphrase Mark Mcgwire, "leave things in the past in the past!"

This gentleman was very happy with his purchase and now you people provide links to some ALLEDGED trimmer who received some PSA 10 Tiger Woods SI cards? I mean, come on! This is what gets me so gosh darn angry about the boards. TOO MUCH NEGATIVITY!!

We don't know if Sygyzy or whatever his name is trimmed any cards. We weren't there when the cards were graded by PSA. I mean, how the hell can you trim cards that were suppose to be cut out of SI to begin with?!?! That makes no sense whatsoever!! As far as I'm concerned, those cards were graded by PSA 10 and they're gem mint to me. If they thought there was anything wrong with the cards, they would've gotten rejected. That's the bottom line.

Anyway, I would strongly advise those that support and love PSA like I do to avoid the old threads being dredged up. Those old threads are filled with nothing but bile and people who don't know what the heck they're talking about.

>>

It's ironic that the most negative, slanderous comments come from you.

Stone193 · April 11, 2005 9:47AM

I'm not sure what the agenda is for most of the people who post here. I collect PSA but have no problem with the other top grading companies.

IMO, what does help to contribute effectively here is an open mind. The rest is just differences of opinions on everything from vanilla vs. chocolate and less filling vs. great taste?

mike

koby · April 11, 2005 9:54AM

dabighurt

Ahmanfan · April 11, 2005 10:09AM

Personally, I'm here to discuss and trade/sell cards and memorabilia. I have a feeling Dabighurt is not here for the same purpose.

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 10:25AM

Is it possible that dabighurt is here to help reassure members and preserve the reputation of PSA even in the face of domumented/proven misses and mistakes made by their grading team?

I mean considering the volume of things PSA grades, I'd have to think they make more mistakes than any grading company based PURELY ON STATISTICS when compared to SGC or GAI. This will upset dabighurt, but the more you grade, the more mistakes will be made... just one of the laws of large numbers and human fallibilty.

That said, I think the card I purchased looks pretty damn nice and is legit.

ndleo · April 11, 2005 10:49AM

If Tiger wins the next two majors, I would sell it before the PGA Championship at the end of the year. The frenzy to see a Grand Slam will be huge.

Tiger is only golfer to transcend the game, like Jordan. All of his challengers have faded, except for Vijay and Mickelson. Sergio, Justin Leonard, Duval, Ernie Els, they aren't even close to Tiger. 9 majors before 30 puts him on a nice pace to take Jack's record. I hope he just ties it instead of breaking it.

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 10:53AM

Jack said Tiger would win 10 Green Jackets after watching Tiger win his first one and setting all the records... now Tiger is nearly halfway there, and I still think the Masters is the easiest major to win... Tiger will probably win 8 or 9, maybe not 10.

mudflap02 · April 11, 2005 10:58AM

A BGS 10 for your perusal. Asking 30K. Offers of 7,500 on Naxcom.com.

mudflap02 · April 11, 2005 11:01AM

The PSA for comparison. Is the difference between those cards worth 25 large?

Buccaneer · April 11, 2005 11:11AM

You know, once a player becomes a HOF shoe-in, his cards do reach a plateau. When said player retires, his cards don't go up anymore and when said player gets voted in the Hall (baseball, football, etc), his card may get a little more action but the value does not go up. The appreciative action on a card happens when he is rising up to that level. Don't you think Woods have been there regardless of what he does from now on?

ndleo · April 11, 2005 11:37AM

Time,
I don't think Augusta will let him win 10. They don't want to be known as Tiger's yearly major warm-up. Those old guys would probably shorten the course just to give the Corey Pavin's of the world a shot.

As for your card, I think you will have several opportunities to buy and sell this card. The pop wil only grow. I say the trend is your friend. Make a nice profit before the PGA and buy it again the next time Tiger goes into a "slump". I think the only golfer that can match his focus is Vijay, and he is much older than Tiger.

Did you see that grin on Mickelson while he put the jacket on Tiger. It must have killed him. Maybe if Phil was smart, he would have laid a couple hundred K on Tiger to win. Or maybe Callaway will do it for him.

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 2:32PM

TimeMachine · April 11, 2005 2:43PM

The good ole' boys who run the Mastuhs Tunament already tried to Tiger-proof the course after his historic victory, and he's won 3 times since... it seems that the tuffer they try and make the golf course, the more it thins out the field, and the best in the field is Tiger Woods. I wonder if their strategy backfired, but then I think about the 40% pop in ratings the Mastuhs gets when Tiger is in contention on sunday, and then I understand why they do what they do down in Augusta. It is the highest rated Major every year... unless of course Tiger is in contention at the US Open lol.

Tiger will win at least 3 more to eclipse Jack, and then probably 1 or 2 more just for sh*ts and giggles... to doubt him at this point is pointless. I just hope that his SI RCs remain in high demand... it is a nicely framed and handsome card overall, his pronounced toothy overbite aside.

Tabe · April 12, 2005 9:23AM

<< There is nobody, NOBODY that can do the things that Tiger can imo. >>

I dunno, there's an awful lot of guys out there that can drive the ball 315 yards 20 yards left of the fairway

Tabe

Did I get a good deal on my '96 SI for Kids PSA 10 Woods purchase...?

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