Ever Submit Coins with the Wrong PCGS Coin Number?

ajia

I recently submitted some Proof Kennedy's & wrote in the number for clad 1997 when in fact they were Silver.
Coins were graded & assigned a grade, but not designated as Silver!!

I wonder if I submit Clads with the Silver Coin number if PCGS will designated them as Silver?

numonebuyer

I put the wrong number (by accident) on one submission form. They figured out it was wrong and made the correction before they finished the grading.

Dabigkahuna

Don't get me started now!!!

I will say this tho, that young gentleman that has been patiently trying to help me has been the only redeeming part of the most torturous and ridicules case of screw-ups!

haletj

I thought about putting the wrong pcgs coin number for some there on purpose, hopefully fooling them into giving me an error slab. Say like Oreville's 1878-s trade dollar in a Morgan slab (or was it the other way around?).

ajia

I was thinking if they didn't check if the coin marked as clad was clad or silver....maybe I could send a few clads & number them as Silver!!
Of course because that would be an upgrade instead of a downgrade, they would probably catch it!
Now I probably have to regrade ( & pay another fee) the coins to get them right.

Steve

<< <i>I was thinking if they didn't check if the coin marked as clad was clad or silver....maybe I could send a few clads & number them as Silver!!
Of course because that would be an upgrade instead of a downgrade, they would probably catch it!
Now I probably have to regrade ( & pay another fee) the coins to get them right. >>



I often wonder why collectors cannot just enjoy their coins for the pleasure of ownership instead of always looking for ways to cheat. I guess it always comes back to this: IT'S ALL ABOUT THE M O N E Y! It's very seldom about the coin. JMHO. Steve

ajia

Stevie....lighten up!
"I often wonder why collectors cannot just enjoy their coins for the pleasure of ownership instead of always looking for ways to cheat. I guess it always comes back to this: IT'S ALL ABOUT THE M O N E Y! It's very seldom about the coin. "

In this case I am wondering about the QC at PCGS, is there someone checking submissions for correct designations on the paperwork? NOT how I can cheat to make more money.

Yes, it's disheartening that I screwed up & placed the CLAD number on the paperwork. It's also disheartening that it was not caught at PCGS, and the value of a clad 1997-S Kennedy is about half of the Silver variety, but they were not PR70DCAM or even 69DCAM...so I can crack them out & still sell/trade them for what the market will pay for nice, raw 1997-S Silver Kennedy's.

And by your comments, I presume you only collect raw coins? In the market for a raw 1997-S Silver Kennedy?

Steve

I probably misunderstood your point so I'll apologize. But I am interested in how PCGS determines the difference between silver and clad when grading. So, I'll write to David on Q & A next Tuesday.
Steve

BAJJERFAN

I think they look at or should look at anyway at the edge of the coin.

LindeDad

I think they look at or should look at anyway at the edge of the coin.
That doesn't allway work.
I have seen clad proofs that looked full silver on the edge.

ajia

Let's see what David has to say on Tuesday, if he responds, as I have asked the question on the Q&A board.

Russ

I once accidentally sent an Accented Hair marked as 6800 (regular variety). They graded it as the regular. So, I said to myself "Self, I wonder what they'd do if I sent a regular marked as 6801 (Accented Hair)." Yep, they holdered it as an Accented Hair.

Russ, NCNE

Steve

Well, I had written to David also last week so let's see what he says tonight. Steve

COINDOG

I once submitted a 1936-S- Cinn. Commem, and listed the wrong number. It came back as a 1936-S- Columbia.
Errors of this type are to be expected. The graders only have a few seconds to grade each coin, besides grading companies operate the same way that Henry Ford built autos. ( Mass Production )
It's impossible to grade millions , and millions of coins and spend the same time on them as we do as collectors.

ajia

COINDOG, does this mean there is no one, read that non-graders, checking to see if the paperwork is correct?
I can understand that graders do not have the time to check the paperwork, but I would hope there is someone there making sure things are correct with the paperwork.

Heck, do we all have CLAD coins in SILVER holders?

Steve

Let's all hear David's answer when he gets back to the Q & A Forum. Steve

COINDOG

<< <i>COINDOG, does this mean there is no one, read that non-graders, checking to see if the paperwork is correct?
I can understand that graders do not have the time to check the paperwork, but I would hope there is someone there making sure things are correct with the paperwork.

Heck, do we all have CLAD coins in SILVER holders? >>


Ajia,
This usually happens ( Most error slabs that I have encountered ) When coins are similar, or designations are similar )
If the mint cannot produce 100 % perfect coins, then the same is true for the grading services, even PCGS !!

IrishMike

Seriously if a grader can't tell the difference between clad and silver whether they grade millions, thousands or hundreds of coins its time to branch out into a different profession. That is all they do all day, its not rocket science. While they may disagree on the numerical grade there is no excuse for missing the metal, regardless how you or they want to spin it.

COINDOG

<< <i>Seriously if a grader can't tell the difference between clad and silver whether they grade millions, thousands or hundreds of coins its time to branch out into a different profession. That is all they do all day, its not rocket science. While they may disagree on the numerical grade there is no excuse for missing the metal, regardless how you or they want to spin it. >>


I have several error slabs from PCI, NGC,and PCGS. It's not just one grading service, but several. However, this happens much less often, as opposed to over-grading, or under-grading !!

ajia

No answer from Mr. Hall this week.

Steve

Let's be patient. Hopefully David is checking it out with the staff. I'll be checking again next Tuesday evening. Steve

ajia

Week #2 without an answer!

Steve

Ajia,
Do you want to ask David again? If so, let me know. Otherwise, I would be happy to ask if he can give us an answer. It probably is best if just one of us does it for next week. Thanks,
Steve

ajia

What, if we both ask it offsets each other??

I thought your question dealt with......... how PCGS determines the difference between silver and clad when grading.

I am really interested in a bigger picture, does anyone check the PCGS Coin Number & check to see if in fact that is the coin submitted.
Can be a copper cent, nickel, clad or silver....we all make mistakes, I did......PCGS does. It seems to me that it is very easy to write in the wrong PCGS Number, accidently....or not! What is the QC to make sure the numbers & the coins match up.

I will be asking again next Tuesday.

ajia

Well, a month & still no answer.
Maybe I should give up?


















NOT!

ajia

Are you out there Steve?
Still no reply!
Maybe a touchy subject?

Coppernicus

I have a raw 1909-P Lincoln that I believe is a proof. I'm not 100% sure, so when I submit it to PCGS, I'll give it the PR number but put a question mark next to it on the form. I trust them to correctly identify it.

Are the PCGS graders perfect? Of course not - but over the years, I've come to trust their judgement, especially when it comes to attribution/authentication.

I hope it's a proof!!

Mike

Steve

Ajia,
I wrote David Hall again on this subject last Tuesday. No reply either last week or this week. I guess he feels this is a question he does not want to answer. Steve