Joewoowoo, this one is for you

Gemmy10

Sig is a little sloppy though. I still don't know how they could figure out it is legit when its sloppy:

1973 Topps THURMAN MUNSON Autograph PSA/DNA

Joewoowoo

thanks Gemmy , I saw that auction but wanst really interested because of the sloppy sig and the condition of the card itself . IM looking for something alot nicer ,YOURS WILL DO ,COME ON PLEASE !ALL I ASK IS THAT YOU JUST KEEP ME IN MIND .

Thanks for looking out for me I appreciate it .

Joe

schr1st

Every time I see a Munson autograph for sale on eBay, I can't help but smile and think back to the autographed rookie PSA/DNA 5 OC that I won on eBay for $210.50. It was listed as:

1970 Topps #189 Thurman Munston AUTO PSA 5!!

Gemmy10

<<YOURS WILL DO ,COME ON PLEASE !ALL I ASK IS THAT YOU JUST KEEP ME IN MIND>>

Of course I will keep you in mind, but I am not selling it. LOL

I bet if I sent it into PSA/DNA the signature would get a 10.

I still really don't see how PSA/DNA can be absolutely sure the one on eBay is a legitimate signature.

Gemmy10

<<1970 Topps #189 Thurman Munston AUTO PSA 5!!>>

schr1st, great card!!!!

See why one should learn how to spell or proofread? When was the auction that you won?

Coolidge

I wouldn't be surprised if all 3 were fake.

Gemmy10

Coolidge, why so pessimistic?

Joewoowoo

WoW , he says that , he wouldnt be surprised if all 3 were fake .LOL I think he is just a little upset because the Lakers wont make the playoffs . Jeez dude tip a Coors light and think back to when you had SHAQ and you had the 3-peat in LA.
I cant speak for the psa auto of Munson but Gemmy's is definatly a sweet MF'in card with a real auto.

schr1st

I bought it back in 2003 on eBay. I'll sell blood and other things before I let that card leave my collection. It's getting cremated along with me.



<< <i><<1970 Topps #189 Thurman Munston AUTO PSA 5!!>>

schr1st, great card!!!!

See why one should learn how to spell or proofread? When was the auction that you won? >>

ajw

<< <i>I bought it back in 2003 on eBay. I'll sell blood and other things before I let that card leave my collection. It's getting cremated along with me.

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Great card. Out of curiosity, what do you think it's worth on the market?

Axtell

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Great card. Out of curiosity, what do you think it's worth on the market? >>



Probably going to be limited by the fact that he never made the hall (and won't).

Gemmy10

Axtell,

I had two people offer well over $2,000 for mine it but it's not for sale. You under estimate the immense popularity Thurman has among both Yankee and non-Yankee collectors. A legitimate Thurman auto is relatively rare.

schr1st

Not sure. The 73 PSA 3 sold for $565. SMR is 7-800 I think (don't have one in front of me). Let's put it this way, it would take more money than it's worth for me to ever consider selling it.

PS: I picked up the 1949 Richie Ashburn PSA 2 that the Munson seller had up. I just love those autographed rookie cards.



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Great card. Out of curiosity, what do you think it's worth on the market? >>



Probably going to be limited by the fact that he never made the hall (and won't). >>

ajw

I think Munson is an interesting and nearly unique type of baseball player. He has a large and extremely devoted following, and the value of his cards and autographs reflect that. However, I personally doubt that the membership in this club has grown much (or at all) in the last 25 years. Someone said that the value of the card is reduced because Munson is not in the HoF. While the card is clearly quite valuable, I believe the statement is correct. There would be more people interested in the card if Munson was in the HoF. This goes further, though, as I suspect that in 50 years there will be a lot fewer baseball fans that know much about Thurman Munson and his career. Sure, there will be some, but when was the last time you met someone younger than 30 years old that really loved Thurman Munson? I'm 30 and consider myself a very devoted and knowledgable baseball fan, and I consider Munson to be in the same category as Dick Allen and other 70's stars that I know were great in their time, but are not all-time greats. Right now, Munson's popularity and card values are driven by people that remember seeing him play and the leadership skills he brought to the Bronx. Unfortunately for Munson (and anyone that's investing in Munson cards in the long-term, those are the types of memories that fade fastest, as they are not reflected in Total Baseball or on Baseball-reference.com As memories of players fade, the semi-stars tend to slide back towards the commons and the superstars seperate themselves even further from the pack. No offense intended, but I belive Munson is a semi-star...but probably the most popular semi-star of the last 50 years.

Again, no offense intended to the Munson fans on the board...I just think he's a really interesting baseball player, both on the field and with his devoted following.

Any other thoughts?

VoteThurmanIn

AJW, Munson is a YANKEE.

He has monument in Monument Park at Yankee Stadium and his #15 is retired. Thurman was the first Captain of the Yankees since Lou Gehrig.

Yeah, he will be forgotten.

How many World Series did Dick Allen win? Fisk?

ajw

VoteThurmanIn, I did not mean to insult you or to disparage Thurman as a player. He was a very fine player. I did not say that Thurman would be forgotten. In fact, I said that Munson was probably a unique player, in that he has such a large and devoted following while not being elected to the HoF. In my mind, that's a tremendous compliment. I'm not sure I can think of another player that is not in the HoF, though HoF eligible, that has a stronger following. I've long admired Munson's fans and their devotion to him.

I just question if there will be a group of young Munson fans to love him the way you do. Do you think there will be enough Munson fans to replace the current fans so that the value of his cards and autographs will continue to grow? That was the point of my post. I am sorry if it was not clear. I think it is worthy of discussion precisely because Munson is such an interesting and unique figure in all of baseball history.

(Edited to say):

After reviewing their stats, I think my Dick Allen analogy is actually quite appropriate. They both won the ROY and MVP. They both played in seven all-star games. Allen was a better hitter (by far) but Munson played a much more important and demanding position. Munson clearly gains many points for his leadership and three World Championships (and his excellent performance in the World Series). Allen, on the other hand, was a complete jerk to just about everyone. While I don't support Allen for the HoF, I do believe that as the years pass, Thurman's leadership and Allen's jerkness will both lose their prominence as future generations think of these players. Instead, kids today will look to Total Baseball or baseball-reference.com and see the players' raw stats in black and white. I'm not saying this is fair or that it is the way it should be. I am saying that it is reality. The things that made Thurman great will tend to lose their prominence, as will the things that made Allen a world-class jerk.

Anyway, I think it's an interesting topic. Maybe I'm the only one.

VoteThurmanIn

ajw, no offense taken.

As long as there are Yankee fans and they don't destroy Thurman's Yankeeography he will be remembered.

ajw

VoteThurmanIn, I'm not doubting that he will be remembered. I guess my point is lost. Sorry for continuing the conversation...

WinPitcher

Thurman was the first Captain of the Yankees since Joe DiMaggio.


hmm I do not think JD was ever a yankee captain. I thought he was the first since Gerhig.

Axtell

AJW-

I agree with you on your points. I think the Yankee (and specifically Munson) lovers out there need to realize, not everyone loves the yankees. There are (I'd surmise) a lot MORE non-yankee fans than there are yankee fans.

This combined with the fact he isn't (and again, will not be) ever in the hall means just like you said: you aren't likely to see any number of fans chasing after Munson cards, even auto's. Just won't happen. Like AJW said, his leadership on the field is one of the things you can't find in a record/stat book. While it was greatly valued to his playing on the field, ultimately, those qualities will be forgotten.

doog71

Yankee fans, and there are legions, tend to bring their kids to games, tell the Yankee stories, etc. Walk around a mall in NJ or NY and you'll see TONS of youngsters with Yankee garb. My dad wasn't a huge baseball fan, but did like the Yankees and told me about Thurman Munson when I was a kid. I never saw him play, but was hooked on the legend. This will continue to be the case.

Roger Maris is not in the HOF, but most people would rather have his cards than Phil Niekro, who is in the Hall. Why? Because it's how ball players are PERCEIVED and REMEMBERED, not just stats, that determine their collectibility. Check Ebay sometime for PSA 9 Ron Santo cards vs. other HOFers. Santo cards go for premiums because he was and is a hero in Chicago.

There is a LEGEND attached to Thurman Munson's name because of how he played, how much he won, and how he died. Fathers will always tell their sons, so there will always be a big demand for Thurman.

Next time...my case for Cecil Fielder!

VoteThurmanIn

Thurman was the first Captain of the Yankees since Joe DiMaggio.

WinPitcher, you are correct. I meant Gehrig and for some reason wrote DiMaggio. I will correct my post.

VoteThurmanIn

Axtell, have you ever been to a Yankee game? 1,000's of fans wear the jersey with #15 on it. One of the purposes of my website, besides trying to get him into the HOF, is to keep his memory alive, and as long as I am alive there will be a website. Maybe my kids will take it over some day. I do this strictly as a fan and it is non-profit, although I have had one offer to buy my website as well as several offers to pay me for advertising on it.

Axtell

<< <i>Axtell, have you ever been to a Yankee game? 1,000's of fans wear the jersey with #15 on it. One of the purposes of my website, besides trying to get him into the HOF, is to keep his memory alive, and as long as I am alive there will be a website. Maybe my kids will take it over some day. I do this strictly as a fan and it is non-profit, although I have had one offer to buy my website as well as several offers to pay me for advertising on it. >>



VTI-Did you read my post? I said outside YANKEEville. I said there are many, many more fans of other teams than there are of the Yanks. I know it's difficult to gain objective perspective being buried deep in the middle of both Yankee fandom and Munson fandom, but it's the truth.

You say all sorts of people wear #15 jerseys...that's great, but how many of these people are collecting his cards? His autos? I'd suspect you'd be able to trend this from tracking his card sale pricing...and with no big rush of new fans, his card pricing is going to stay flat.

schr1st

I'm live in Boston, was about 4 years old when he died, and still consider him to be one of my favorite all-time players. Go figure.

Gemmy10

Axtell Rose, check the Munson prices 10 years from now. They have gone up steadily for years.

Everybody want to get into the act!!!!

Thurman Munson Signed Cut Signature PSA/DNA



Where the hell is Austinchau when we need him? LOL

Stone193

As a Yankee fan of the 70's, I liked Munson - I have shown this photo before and will eventually send it to PSA - the problem is that a lot of the photos that came out of the organization during this period were auto pens - this one doesn't have the characteristic start and stop marks of an auto pen tho - if real, the photo would easily fetch 500-1000 bucks.



Gemmy
That last cut you posted isn't very attractive - I would have to pass on it unless I got it cheap.

mike

Gemmy10

<<That last cut you posted isn't very attractive - I would have to pass on it unless I got it cheap>>

Mike, I agree. That is why I said we need Austinchau...to put one of his pretty pictures in there. I wouldn't even want it cheap.

If that auto of yours was legit, if PSA/DNA authenticated, would easily fetch $1,000 or more.

Coolidge

<< <i>WoW , he says that , he wouldnt be surprised if all 3 were fake .LOL I think he is just a little upset because the Lakers wont make the playoffs . Jeez dude tip a Coors light and think back to when you had SHAQ and you had the 3-peat in LA. >>




1970 Topps Munson Auto PSA 5(OC) -------------- $210

1973 Topps Munson Auto PSA 3 -------------------- $565

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<< <i>I cant speak for the psa auto of Munson but Gemmy's is definatly a sweet MF'in card with a real auto. >>




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