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Congratulations to Larry Pliss for attaining the All-Time #1 ranking for 1967 Topps Baseball

Larry ("Capecards" on the registry) just blew by my good friend Joel's (Skylaneflyer) retired set with an impressive 8.63 Set Ranking and GPA. Very impressive and once again, congratulations!

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  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    Very impressive, I wonder what the average time spent putting these complete 67s sets together.


    Stingray
  • 1420sports1420sports Posts: 3,473 ✭✭✭
    Nice work Larry!
    collecting various PSA and SGC cards
  • highendhighend Posts: 534
    very impressive. i recently started laying the ground work for my set by trying to pick off the stars and tough cards in psa 8. for the most part i have been shut down. tough set with alot of competition. great job.
  • calleochocalleocho Posts: 1,569 ✭✭
    Good work!

    I remember when skylaneflyer retired his set and everyone agreed that it would be many years before it could be surpassed.

    Great set congrats!
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  • qualitycardsqualitycards Posts: 2,811 ✭✭✭
    Wow! Nice #'s - Congrats Larry!
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  • sjjs28sjjs28 Posts: 460 ✭✭✭✭
    Larry,

    Great to see a truely nice guy achieve the mountain top (I can only assume that this IS your mountain top but the way you've been relentlessly acquiring top graded 1967's ....) and knocking the old king of the hill off his perch !

    Somehow I don't think the rest of the 67 set builders will let you rest on your laurels (including me ....)

    Congrats,
    Steve S.
    Steve Saldutti
    sjjs28@comcast.net
    Collector of 1964 Topps Stand Ups, 1965 Embossed, 1968 Topps Game and 1969 Topps Decals
    Registered Sets: 1964 Stand Ups, 1965 Embossed, 1968 Topps Game, 1969 Topps Decals
  • Gemmy10Gemmy10 Posts: 2,990
    << remember when skylaneflyer retired his set>>

    When someone retires a set does that mean they sold it?
  • lostdart58lostdart58 Posts: 2,938 ✭✭✭


    << <i><< remember when skylaneflyer retired his set>>

    When someone retires a set does that mean they sold it? >>




    I think in most cases it does.............but sometimes one might decide that they no longer want to upgrade anymore.
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  • dudedude Posts: 1,454 ✭✭

    << << remember when skylaneflyer retired his set>>

    When someone retires a set does that mean they sold it? >>




    I think in most cases it does.............but sometimes one might decide that they no longer want to upgrade anymore.



    I agree with the last statement - that's been the case for several collectors I know (usually done to minimize spending more money on the set). One in fact, Jim Merrill (#4 all-time on the '67 Registry) retired his set and still has it.
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    There does appear to be a lot of competition for 67s. I myself do not have unlimited funds to buy any cards as need to fill my uncompleted set. I was wondering besides time and without getting specific, how did finances play into putting your sets together. Anyone with an unlimited amount of money can pay what they would like for a card up for auction and outbid everyone. Does one set limitations on what they are willing to pay for a card?

    Stingray
  • highendhighend Posts: 534
    stingray- i'm pretty new to the set and i'm still trying to get a feel for the set, getting to know who the players are, bidding patterns etc.with this registry, as opposed to 1972 (my other graded set) many of the sets are not able to be viewed so it makes it harder to know if the big players in the set are going to "go hard" for a card or not. with 72, often times if a big player needs a card i won't even bid, no sense in running it up if i'm sure i'd be outbid anyway.

    i don't have unlimited funds but even if i did i'd never take the win at any cost approach. i usually bid the max i WANT to pay. i'm certain that another will eventually come along.having said that, my lack of success in winning the tough cards from this set indicates i may have to become a little more aggressive with my bids than originally anticipated.

    i always try to keep in mind set building is journey, not a destination, this philosophy has served me well and saved me alot of money as well
  • dudedude Posts: 1,454 ✭✭
    Stingray -- My story is that I collected '67 Topps as a kid. My cards survived those many years of spring cleaning. In 1989, when visiting my parents they told me they still had my big box of sportscards and wondered if I still wanted them. I took them home and the '67's were in mostly VG condition (1st year I collected cards), while my '72 Topps were in NM-MT (last year I collected cards). It was easy to recognized the difference in condition so I decided to sell off my '67s for whatever I could get for them and rebuild the set from scratch in NM-MT or better. So from 1990-1999 I built a near complete high-grade set and after 9 years, I was about 20 cards short. Then the graded set concept and eBay came into vogue and I submitted most of my set and got approximately 80 PSA 9's and about 450 PSA 8's. (Submitted them over a 3 year period). Also during that time, I took a step backwards and sold about 40 PSA 8's to the registry leader for a pretty stiff price since my longterm goal was to build mainly a PSA 9 set. It took about 4 years for me to complete the set in 8 or higher. One other thing was that from 1999-2003 you could still buy a lot of nice raw '67s at shows for $1.50 to $2.00 for the lower series commons and some would even grade PSA 9. Now there are very few that can be found at shows (only NM-Mint), and the few that are found are typically priced too high for grading when you can do just as well buying them slabbed on eBay. So as for the future, I'm still buying 9's but I'm only paying $55 to $90 for commons depending on the population. There are at least 3 other collectors that will outbid me when they need a card, so the Population usually has to be at least 4 before I even get a shot at it.
  • StingrayStingray Posts: 8,843 ✭✭✭
    Thanks for the information highend. I figure this is going to be a long process and I enjoy doing my research on what is out there for sale and seeing what others have to say. The one thing that bums me out though is wanting a certain card then being outbid at the last second for a couple of dollars more.

    Stingray
  • acowaacowa Posts: 945 ✭✭
    Congrats on the set! My set's pretty much retired except for picking up some of the variations when they pop up.


    Dan: We need to catch up sometime. Are you going to Nationals?


    Regards,


    Alan
  • dudedude Posts: 1,454 ✭✭
    Alan -- I agree. It's been way too long. I'll write you later tonight. I'm not planning on going to the National however.
  • jaxxrjaxxr Posts: 1,258 ✭✭
    Congrats to Capecards, nice set and to get a number one is quite a big deal !!!

    Dude: Very interesting info on your set. The money spent and the population level competition, prices / bids are absorbing material. So glad you shared the detail, this type of data would be intriguing for almost any popular set.

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  • ejguruejguru Posts: 618 ✭✭✭
    Just caught this thread as I've returned to Boston in preparation for Monday afternoon's festivities. I've waited a long time--and my Dad even longer. I am sure my grandfather, who bought our season tickets over 45 years ago will be smiling as he was in October.

    It has been awesome to see Larry whiz to the top--and I thought I was doing him a favor not bidding against himimage...Long may your set remain intact!

    Dude's words on the set are sooo true. Raw stuff is very scarce and usually costs as if it is already PSA 8. I think the best chance at finding 9's is to crack and resubmit high end 8's--


    E
    "...life is but a dream."

    Used to working on HOF SS Baseballs--Now just '67 Sox Stickers and anything Boston related.
  • bxbbxb Posts: 805 ✭✭
    Thanks to Dan and everyone else for their kind comments. Putting together this set has been a challenge both timewise and financially, but a fun distraction from the stresses that otherwise shape my life. In the spirit of the occasion, I thought I would share a few vignettes ala Dude as to how I got here, and then I promise to shut up and leave the stage.

    I take you back to the summer of 1967, in smalltown upstate New York, where the sun always seemed to shine, life always seemed fun and simple, people were humming with their transistor radios to the Beatles and The Little Old Lady From Pasadena, and summer seemed to just laaast forever. I was playing little league baseball back then, and each time we would win a game (which wasn't that often as I recall), Coach would take us to the concession stand and buy us each an orange soda pop and a pack of baseball cards. Well I remember my first card in my first pack was NL home run leaders, which I thought was so cool with Aaron and Willy Mays on the same card, and I was soon hooked to the point of my poor mother haranguing me for wasting all her nickels (packs were 5 cents back then). By the time school started, which was many nickels later, I had learned how to wheel and deal with the other kids in my neighborhood, and completed the set, even though I had to ride my bike five miles each day in late August to the only store in town that had the rare 7th series cards. This was a big deal back then as I was only 11 years old and I wasn't allowed to ride my bike that far away, but I did it anyway (I can say this now because I doubt Mom and Dad read this board). Hence I learned at an early age that to succeed often meant going beyond assumed limits. This line of thinking has stayed with me and guided my entire adult life, and only occasionally has gotten me in serious trouble.

    The set remained in my closet, untouched (no, my mother did not throw them out, thankfully) for the next 30 years. I chanced upon them during a Christmas visit in 1997 rummaging through my old bedroom closet, and, looking at those little cards, a door opened in my brain that had been shut all those years - it was the summer of '67 again, ans something deep down told me this was a piece of my life, it must come with me, and not stay in this musty closet.

    So I brought them home, where they then stayed in my own musty bedroom closet for a couple years. I would pull them out every so often, think about the summer of 1967, and put them away quickly when my mother, no now it's my wife called for something. I eventually got into the PSA thing and submitted the ones I thought were sure fire 8s or 9s, and of course they came back 5s and 6s, some with strange additional comments like "OC" or "ST". At first I didn't know what those strange appellations meant, but my instincts told me it wasn't good (how naive back then). The last couple years I have learned through trial and error (mostly the latter) more about the subject of grading, and have slowly built up the PSA set from scratch, helped along the way with both cards and advice by many of you reading this. I hope things will slow down soon, as I would like to begin working on my second favorite set soon.

    In the meantime, I know that all glory is fleeting, someone will soon pass me on the list too, but I gotta tell ya it's lonely at the top! Well, I've had my 15 minutes on the stage, but I really am more comfortable being in the crowd. Hope to see ya there.

    Capecards
  • gemintgemint Posts: 6,101 ✭✭✭✭✭
    Great job and story Larry. I'm envious! The 1967 set is from the year I was born and is one of my favorite sets. It's arguably the most popular set of the '60s and has it all; a streamlined design, high profile rookies and scarce high numbers. What set are you going to work on next?
  • 1967topps1967topps Posts: 459 ✭✭
    which just verifies my theory.

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    As a seller (these days) that is a good thing.
    ebay:1967topps
    1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
    Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
  • 1967topps1967topps Posts: 459 ✭✭
    >> recently started laying the ground work for my set by trying to pick off the stars and tough cards in psa 8. for the most part i have been shut down. tough set with alot of competition.>>

    What are you looking for? Since this isn't an ebay board, I can at least suggest that sometimes people like
    to avoid listing and final value fees...
    ebay:1967topps
    1967and 1973 Topps baseball wantlists (any condition) welcome. Once had the #14 ATF 1967 set. Yet another collector like skylaneflyer, gimel1 who made it to the completion of 1967 only to need the money more than the company of 609 close friends.
    Looking for oddball Norm Cash and Cleon Jones stuff, and 1956 team cards
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