Yet Another Altered Pujols rookie in a PSA case
joestalin
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There is yet another 5/500 Pujols Bowman Chrome rookie up on ebay, this makes the second one I have seen in PSA holders, I have
also seen one in a BGS holder. The first one that PSA graded was numbered on the back 5/500..this one is 005/500 and is obviously
altered. Why can't a company with all the pros spot this?
Kevin
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also seen one in a BGS holder. The first one that PSA graded was numbered on the back 5/500..this one is 005/500 and is obviously
altered. Why can't a company with all the pros spot this?
Kevin
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PSA # 40002731
Both Pujols BC Rookies, and both numbered on the back 5/500..actually the first one is 5/500 and the second one is 005/500
There is no excuse for this.
Kevin
Whatever he says, I agree with him.
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The thing that is particularly galling is that the certificate # is valid (0433768) - and that he is also selling another "novelty" 1952 Topps Mantle and a "novelty" PSA 9 Jordan rookie.
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"5/500 and 005/500 are clearly different numbers, and PSA is merely grading what they see. Looks like a perfect grade to me. Why don't you leave the grading to the experts. Blabbity Blabbity blah. Now please excuse me while I pleasure myself to my "Graders of PSA" calendar.
DaBigHurt"
Heh.... Don't say that too loudly or you might get suspended.
I can tell you right now that this will drive up the price of submissions and slow down the process a great deal. I don't think any of us want that.
Things are fine the way they are. If you see a problem like this, alert other collectors or Ebay. Don't expect PSA to do the policing for all things hobby related. They have a terrific business model and have thousands of loyal customers. They've graded over 8 million cards and I think, have more important fish to fry.
Now where's Wolfbear and Axtell to back me up on this??
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As usual, DaBigHurt, you nailed it.
Who in blazes is Pujols ? I thought it was a brand of car.
Anybody sucker enough to buy that card deserves to be ripped off anyway.
Let the idiots of the world stew in their own juices.
As my dear old dad used to say "A fool and his money are soon parted."
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
What do you think the buyer is going to do with it...
He left the buyer this feedback and then the buyer left him a neg. Item has not been relisted yet, but if it is I would look for a simialr result.
<< <i>Who in blazes is Pujols ? I thought it was a brand of car. >>
Duh Wolfbear. Everyone knows Pujols.....
Currently collecting.....your guess is as good as mine.
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<< <i>Who in blazes is Pujols ? I thought it was a brand of car. >>
Duh Wolfbear. Everyone knows Pujols..... >>
Why bother collecting the cards of a second rate player like Pujols
when there are perfectly nice looking cards available of the all-time best player in history, Barry Bonds.
"How about a little fire Scarecrow ?"
card represents what is perhaps the most valuable rookie card of the 21st century so far. The guy has only one jersey # and that is
5 and topps only printed up one of each of the 500 cards.
You don't need to send me 20 bucks plus 10 dollars shipping for me to tell you that, its common knowledge. Why can't grading
companies get it? Is someone going to tell me that an 81 Topps Luis Pujols card is going to get the same "scan time" as a
2001 bowman chrome autograph card numbered to his jersey #??
Is PSA sooo far out of the modern card loop that this was just another card to them? If bells don't go off when you see a Bonds
or McGwire rookie submitted what good is the "expert" opinion? Why am I paying someone who doesn't know what Robin Yount's
TTM autographs look like, when there are a dozen or so collectors over on the BGS board who know and won't charge me a dime?
I have seen two MAJOR errors by PSA in the last day, sure I understand a few get by ya, but Pujols and Yount?
oh and if you can easily crack the case and put another card in it, what good is the sonically sealed case?
JS
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Hi Tony, I purchased a Pujols RC Redemption card back in 2001, his rookie year, and sent it in to be redeemed. It came back and when it did, I immediately sent it off to be graded and when I got it back it was a PSA 9 OC. I did not pay much attention to the numbering until late that year when he started to explode. I do not know of the other 3 or 4 cards you are talking about that are numbered to his jersey # and graded. Can you be more specific and who is supposed to have these alleged cards. I am the true owner of the #5/500 RC Auto Pujols and I know where it came from. Thanks, Mike
If he did sent it of immediately to be graded, we'll say late 01 or early 02, i don't think it would have that type of font on the flip, nor would it be that high of a #. He is saying that the card and holder are at least 3 or 4 years old, does anyone know when psa changed flips to the current font. I have a card, graded in 2002, with a starting number of 108 with the old style flip. I'd say this thing was graded within the past year. Probably after he saw the amount the other 5/500 went for. Besides all that, it is a horrible job on forgery, and i think psa mislabeled the flip as a 9OC when it should be a 9MK.
E
Maybe the same guy?
JS
I am of the opinion that it wouldn't be too much trouble for PSA or BGS to include the serial number on the flip, but by the time they realized it it was too late in the game to change it. I think it would be HUGE if they would offer to reslab all currently slabbed numbered cards with a new, correct flip (for the cost of the slab, plus shipping). How huge would that be? This has been a big complaint for a long time, and it's only a matter of time before it comes back to bite them, and many collectors as well. If the bleeding can be stopped now, it will only secure their position as the top grading company.
<< <i>In the last 5 years, do you PSA bashers even want to guess how many serial numbered cards have entered the market? We're talking about hundreds and hundreds of sets, with a tens of thousands of individual numbers for these cards. How on earth is PSA suppose to keep track of all these numbers? Do you want them to all of a sudden change the way they grade and include '#xxx of xxx' on the label?
I can tell you right now that this will drive up the price of submissions and slow down the process a great deal. I don't think any of us want that.
Things are fine the way they are. If you see a problem like this, alert other collectors or Ebay. Don't expect PSA to do the policing for all things hobby related. They have a terrific business model and have thousands of loyal customers. They've graded over 8 million cards and I think, have more important fish to fry.
Now where's Wolfbear and Axtell to back me up on this??
Lame excuse. How much more time would it take to add a few more numbers ( the serial numbers ) onto the PSA label? It's not alot of trouble at all, and they know it. If PSA is so concerned about it's collectors, then why wouldn't they do this?
As long as there is more money to made on the corrupt side of this industry, we will never see changes made to rid them. I agree with Stalin 100%. This is one of the most talked about rookie cards of my era, and the excuse we get is "It would cost too much", or "It would take more time". Give me a break. Pretty pathetic.
Personally, the card should be a freakin' 8 anyway. The centering sucks enough to lower it a full grade. Who graded this card?
TheRoach
In the negative image you can see a hesitation at the top of the five where the writer stopped for a split second.
In my opinion all three characters in the "005" are fake and not a "XX5", where the Xs were changed to zeroes.
Could PSA offer a serial number validation service along the lines of PSA/DNA for a small increase over the regular grading? A couple of specially trained people should be able to handle it.
The other solution is for all card manufacturers to machine number the cards, which are harder to alter, and also to create.
Am I missing something here? What about the serial number on the hologram? Doesn't Topps have this number "matched" to the sequenced number of the auto? Wouldn't Topps have a data base on this for the sole purpose of keeping people from scrubbing the numbers?
Confused
mike
I have been collecting Peyton Manning cards numbered 18/xxx and have been able to purchase one and have slabbed several by BGS which they actually put #18/xxx on the flip. Special "instructions" or "requests" were made on the submission form and they accomodated me 4 out of 6 times so far. Note that the 4 times that they made the notation, the cards were significant, and the two times they did not make the notation they were "lesser" cards. I do have only 1 psa graded card #18/400 which does not show the serial number on the flip.
If I look up the BGS serial number on the website, it looks up just like a regular card (not specified to be #18/xxx)
Regards,
rman444
really deserving of a OC qualifier? It looks really close. Maybe
about 45 left and 55 right.
/s/ JackWESQ
card had to be issued in a hurry and as a redemption. Pujols was tearing it up in 2001 and no one had heard of the guy and he
made it into no products in the beginning of the year. The rush was on and topps made redemptions.
I know for a fact that companies give out the key numbered cards last..some probably keep them for themselves of give them to
good dealers who buy lots. I would doubt that topps started with 1 and went from there, in my experience the cards are given
out "randomly"....which seems to always never include 1 of's and guys jersey #'s.
The bigger picture here is not the faking, afterall any hand numbering on a chrome card can be altered with an alcohol cotton ball
and a sharpie. The big concern is that the grading companies have NO CLUE about this and NO ANSWER. If I was the real 5/500
owner I would be very upset that the grading card companies have made his real card worth much less, just because they don't
know what is going on.
I also blame beckett for their POOR coverage on this subject. The have shoved the Bonds (un-numbered) rookies down our throats and
have done write ups on all the fakes, when in reality that card is nothing compared to the 01 bow chrome Pujols. They NEVER
include anything bad in their press..why not?
If the two top grading companies can't tell the difference, why get cards graded? I bet there are plenty of collectors here who know just
as much as the guys with grading jobs know.
Funny, both companies have been silent on this.
JS
This really doesn't prove a lot, except that if in the unlikely event that the 005/500 card is a legit serial...the for someone reason somewhere between 005/500 and 25/500 he stopped using the leading "0"
--KG