This is pathetic. Clearly trimmed Gretzky OPC

EagleEyeKid · March 21, 2005 8:53AM

even though it's in BGS slab. I know it's sheet cut
from Jason Martin, but how can they even accept the hooks on the right edge?
Even if this was presented raw, you can clearly see it. The bottom right hooks
even worse then the upper right.

yawie99 · March 21, 2005 8:57AM

How dare you question those 10.0 edges!?!

EagleEyeKid · March 21, 2005 9:03AM

How dare you question those 10.0 edges!?!

What was I thinking?

Some poor sap is going to pay over $5k for it.

jrdolan · March 21, 2005 9:31AM

EEK, you are not only implying that Beckett graded a sheet card, but also that it got a 9 despite not even being a very good chop job. These are some serious allegations! I just can't believe it of Beckett.

RangerRob · March 21, 2005 9:35AM

hooks on the right edge???

new guy here! What are hooks? And how can you tell?

Brian48 · March 21, 2005 10:19AM

Yeah, it looks like a sheet card, but that's totally different from it being trimmed though. That's two different things. BGS has been really anal retentive about catching trimmed cards for a while now, even more so than PSA if my recent experience with this issue is any indicator.

lawnmowerman · March 21, 2005 10:35AM

Can a scanner distort it to make it look like that?

Matt

RangerRob · March 21, 2005 10:42AM

hooks on the right edge???

new guy here! What are hooks? And how can you tell?

Guys how can you tell if a card is trimmed. Does this mean that even graded companies can be fooled?

RangerRob · March 21, 2005 11:00AM

Someone from another form ... answered my question!!!

WOW!!!

Does this mean that even graded companies can be fooled????????

rainmaker · March 21, 2005 11:01AM

Actually it is a "BVG" nuff said.....I bet it would get a '10' in a BCCG if you want to 'cross' it

A761506 · March 21, 2005 11:03AM

That card is pathetic looking. I can't imagine it gets past BGS looking like that, but it's hard to believe the scan caused it to look that way.

CDsNuts · March 21, 2005 11:18AM

Hard to believe anybody is surprised at the quality of Beckett grading. This is a company that for the past two decades has published a price guide that supposedly "reflects" prices realized in the market, yet somehow their prices are always 30-60% higher than the actual market demand on any given card. Seriously, can anyone tell me the last time a 1986 Fleer Canseco RC sold for $8 raw? 1989? 1990?

Lee

Southerncards · March 21, 2005 2:21PM

Forget the trimmed card, I'm ready to pueke at the fact that someone will pay $2300 for it!

wolfbear · March 21, 2005 3:58PM

Here's a 1961 Fleer Jack Kemp currently up for sale on eBay.

All the telltale signs of a card recently cut from a sheet :
9.5's on everything except surface which got the usual 8 for a sheet-cut card.

I'm sure some of these have found their way into PSA, SGC, and GAI holders,
but it is an absolute disgrace to the hobby that Beckett routinely grades these cards as legitimate.

JrMacdaddy · March 21, 2005 10:20PM

Isn't the surface grade of 8 a dead giveaway?

Brian48 · March 21, 2005 11:39PM

<< Isn't the surface grade of 8 a dead giveaway? >>

Not really. The edges are the clear indicator that this is a sheet cut. The normal OPC cutting process is very poor and normally yields a very rough and sometimes ragged edge with a little bit of fiber fraying. This looks like it was cut with a more modern process.

I personally have nothing against sheet cuts as long as they're indicated as such. They're authentic cards from the company. So what if it was cut using XX process vs XX process. The card is real and so long as the dimensions are cut within specs, I don't see a problem.

yawie99 · March 22, 2005 1:26AM

No way. Buying this stuff would be like proposing to your girlfriend with a cubic zirconia.

JrMacdaddy · March 22, 2005 2:25AM

<< I personally have nothing against sheet cuts as long as they're indicated as such. >>

When have you ever seen this?

I sent Jason an e-mail asking and at least he admitted it was probably a recent sheet cut card.

edited to add the emphasis is mine not his.

Davino · March 22, 2005 2:56AM

<< No way. Buying this stuff would be like proposing to your girlfriend with a cubic zirconia. >>

If love is there, that is okay!

Davino · March 22, 2005 2:58AM

The upper-left corner is a 9.5? BGS/BVG is sh*te!

EagleEyeKid · March 22, 2005 3:02AM

I sent Jason an e-mail asking and at least he admitted it was probably a recent sheet cut card.

You mean Jason didn't admit to cutting it himself?
I'm shocked (rolling eyes). We all agree it's sheet cut, but a really bad
cut at that.

EagleEyeKid · March 22, 2005 3:09AM

LMFAO. My friend Keith is the high bidder. I wonder if he's really serious.
Here is a buddy of mine that purchased a BGS 9.5 OPC Joe Sakic from Jason with
exceptional subgrades. He sent it back to BGS and gave them a letter explaining
that it should be a 10 and presented his claim with another copy (card) as reference.
BGS turned it around and gave it a 10 lol. It is the only BGS 10 OPC Sakic to date.
Pretty funny I think.

Axtell · March 22, 2005 3:17AM

I still don't get all the hate towards sheet cut cards.

The sheets were printed at the same time as the pack cards. They are the same age, same rarity as those found in packs. It's not like these are reprints.

So tell me again why all the hate towards them?

Brian48 · March 22, 2005 3:27AM

<< 

<< I personally have nothing against sheet cuts as long as they're indicated as such. >>

When have you ever seen this?

I sent Jason an e-mail asking and at least he admitted it was probably a recent sheet cut card.

edited to add the emphasis is mine not his. >>

I'm talking about sheet cuts in general. Not this specific auction.

Brian48 · March 22, 2005 3:30AM

<< The upper-left corner is a 9.5? BGS/BVG is sh*te! >>

You can't really go by the scan. The corners can be distorted somewhat because of the mylar sleeve. I've a few BGS/BVG cards that look somewhat different when scanned.

yawie99 · March 22, 2005 6:03AM

I'm too lazy to type another diatribe against sheeters, Axtell, but it comes down to my belief that they are fundamentally different than pack-issued cards. Theoretically speaking, if one graded every pack-issued OPC Gretzky rookie, I'm guessing the mean grades for centering and edges would be in the 6.5-7.0 ballpark; with sheet-cut cards, the mean for those subgrades would probably be in the vicinity of 9.5.

Part of the appeal of high-grade O-Pee-Chee cards from this era is the fact that "pack-fresh" is almost meaningless due to the poor production techniques of the time. With sheet-cut cards, production, in a sense, began in 1979 but wasn't finished until the present. To me, cutting up sheets and having the cards graded is almost a license to manufacture high-grade specimens. And I think it's had a very negative impact on the early modern hockey market, at least.

Onlypsahockey · March 22, 2005 6:49AM

How did the grader miss that hook on the bottom right? It's so obvious to the naked eye it would have to be noticed during the close scrutiny of the grading process. I wonder how BVG would feel if I sent them this scan? That's almost admitting that they slab trimmed cards. Very very bad for the hobby. It gives grading a black eye no matter who's slab its in.

JMO, Bob

This is pathetic. Clearly trimmed Gretzky OPC

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