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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
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  • brianwintersfanbrianwintersfan Posts: 3,626 ✭✭
    Ryan looks like it has a bit of a slanted cut on the top border.If you start in the center and scan to the top left corner it looks crooked.
    Top left corner on Bench doesn't look sharp.
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    hey, thanks for turning me on to the site !
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    The ryan is actually straight it is inserted in a penny sleeve inside a semi regid holder and is not straight inside the holder.
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  • brianwintersfanbrianwintersfan Posts: 3,626 ✭✭
    No problem.
    I still think there is a slant on the Ryan not having to do with how it is in the holder.
    Let's see what some other people say.
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    even if thier is a slant which i dont notice, what do you think it woould grade? I have seen cards with some very noticeable slants grade 9.
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  • brianwintersfanbrianwintersfan Posts: 3,626 ✭✭
    Hard to tell without having it in hand but I would say at least an 8.Depends how they look at that cut.
  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭
    how is the centering on the backs?

    ryan/richard - 10
    bench - 9


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • easttexascardsandgameseasttexascardsandgames Posts: 550
    Is that a printing mark on the Ryan on the white border below 1978? There is another one near the S in strike out. And what is that yellowing near Nolan's Chin?? Is that on the holder?

    Aside from that the Ryan is slightly slanted as stated earlier.

    The Ryan I think is an 8 if those spots I questioned are print spots. Otherwise a 9 due to the diamond cut and the print dot near the S in strikeout.

    The Bench I agree that upper left corner looks weak I say 8 on it.
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    all the marks you see are from the scanner beibg dirty.
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    what magnification does this look like?
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  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    I would say the ryan could get a 9 the bench will be an 8 based on the upper left corner. if the ink is not strong on the ryan , it will get an 8. another problem with 79's is the density of the ink. some are not struck that well and it shoes in the picture quality
  • TreetopTreetop Posts: 1,474 ✭
    Ryan = Trimmed
    Bench = NM/MT
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    yeah right, somebody trimmed it and put it in a unopened vending box.
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  • TreetopTreetop Posts: 1,474 ✭
    The Cards are straight from vending. The cards look fresh and crisp. The right side of the Ryan card appears to have a very slight flange at each corner. This will arouse suspicion with PSA and they might think it’s been recently cut from a sheet.

    It probably won’t come back trimmed, but don’t be surprised if it does, especially if this card is located along the left edge of a factory sheet
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  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Posts: 1,794 ✭✭
    Ryan = 8 (SMR $7)
    Bench = 7 (SMR $6)

  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    you have to remember I have magnified these cards to enormous sizes, probably more than the 10x Psa will look at them at. At these sizes evry minute detail will show.
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
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    ok then how about this one
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    this rice has got to be a 9 or better!
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  • footballfanfootballfan Posts: 51
    It is too hard to tell a condition of a card by a scan. Scans tend to make the card look better than they are unless there are obvious flaws. I sent a 1970 Topps Lem Barney to PSA which I thought would at least be a 9 but Obviously I was hoping for a 10. I received a 7. The card had 4 perfect corners and looked brand new. Another 1970 Topps card that I sent with the Barney card received a 9 and looked identical to the 7 card if not a little worse. I feel grading is a gamble so good luck to you. Some people feel it is a good idea to look at your card under a microscope because their might be flaws that aren't visible .
  • easttexascardsandgameseasttexascardsandgames Posts: 550
    Rice is OC to the right, cannot get the measurement, but it is borderline. Just looking I would say it has a shot at a 9.

    Your scans are only about 2 or 3X. At 10X you can see each little print dot made by the printing press clearly.
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    here is one im sending in with my free renewal grading.


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  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Posts: 1,794 ✭✭
    Mantle = 2 (appears to have several hairline creases along with very frayed corners). Still would get some $$$ though.

    As far as the scans, they do the opposite of what your post - they hide way too many flaws. Go buy a 10x and go around the edges of the card including the corners. If you see any paper loss, it will be no better than a 7. Also look for paper wrinkles (on front AND BACK), blisters, scratches and bubbles by holding the card (without sleeve or holder) near perpendicular against a white light (like a desk lamp).
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    yes, I figured thr mantle would grade as such, But I have had it for three years and its time the mick got encapsulated.
    I was going to buy a 10x loupe from peak optics but i just cant bring myself to spend 80 bucks for it.
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    What kind of loupe do you use? Are thier cheaper ones that would work just as well?
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  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Posts: 1,794 ✭✭
    Yes, I use a cheaper loupe. I used to be a photographer so my old plastic loupe that I got from the camera store works just fine. The point is to be able to see the corners (and edges) in closeup and anything 8x or above would it.
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    Without having to order one online where would I be able to pick up a loupe? Office supply store,jewelry store, I think the photoly place went oout of business in my town.
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  • softparadesoftparade Posts: 9,276 ✭✭✭✭✭
    t-banker, both the Ryan and Bench are 9's without a doubt based on the centering. I have seen enough 10's with centering no better than those two to know that they are 9's for sure. As far as surface and focus goes I never trust a scan enough to give my opinion!

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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    Very, very tough to grade a card based on a scan - but, because I have a lot of experience with 79's, I'll say:

    Ryan 9 (it is a slant cut, but not that bad)

    Bench 8 (top left corner looks dinged)

    Rice 8 (it is OC, and because of that will probably 8, but I have seen similar 9's with centering like this, so who knows?)
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  • NickMNickM Posts: 4,895 ✭✭✭
    The Mantle looks like a classic 3 IMO.

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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    AND ANOTHER IM GONNA SUBMIT AS A FREEBIE >>>>>>>>>

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  • ctsoxfanctsoxfan Posts: 6,246 ✭✭
    The centering looks nice on the Fouts, but the top corners both look rough.
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  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Posts: 1,794 ✭✭
    Fouts = 6. I'm looking at the bottom right corner.
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    no way it's a six
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  • packCollectorpackCollector Posts: 2,786 ✭✭✭
    tbanker , I wouldn't get too arroused by all the posts ripping your cards. that is waht they do here. they shoot down every card and then brag on their results . never a complaint when they 60-40 cards get 9's but everyone elses cards are sh*t
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    Hey pack collector, I assume by your name that you collect some unopened material, Have you come across any 73 or 75 football lately?
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  • LodiLodi Posts: 78 ✭
    Buccaneer=grader of death
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    I have two fouts sixes and they arent even close
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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    Anyone wanna see any more? I got some more I think are 9's OR are ya just plain sick me posting pictures on here and want me to stop?
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  • LodiLodi Posts: 78 ✭
    Bring em on!!! What does it matter as long as you keep it to the same thread?
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    Ok now I know this has got to be a 9!


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  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
    I'm no expert, but centering left to right is going to be a problem for a 9. JMO

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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    how about the smudges and scratches?
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  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Posts: 1,794 ✭✭
    Want me to say it? How about a 4? Hard to tell what's on the card vs what came out on the scan but those smudges, print defects and what appears to be a really bad area bottonm left.

    packCollector, that's not quite true in my case. I don't send cards into grade so I have nothing to brag about. I've just looked at a lot of raw cards and compared them to graded examples to keep me grounded in reality.
  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    Wow Buccaneer you really know how to grade em"


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  • tennesseebankertennesseebanker Posts: 5,433 ✭✭✭
    Dont take it hard buccaneer, I wouldnt have thought it was a nine either. When I got the card froma very respected dealer off e-bay I couldnt believe it was a nine! As a matter of fact if it had been you or I submitting the card it wouldnt have been a nine. But the guys who submit thousands of cards a month seem to catch a few breaks in my opinion.
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  • divecchiadivecchia Posts: 6,639 ✭✭✭✭✭
    That's a lousy looking 9. But a 9 non the less.

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  • ldfergldferg Posts: 6,742 ✭✭✭
    that rice looks sweet. give it a 10 as well. good luck on the submission. i sent a few 79's in last week. we'll see how it goes.


    Thanks,

    David (LD_Ferg)



    1985 Topps Football (starting in psa 8) - #9 - started 05/21/06
  • BuccaneerBuccaneer Posts: 1,794 ✭✭
    Is all that stuff near the bottom left on the holder or the scanner or on the card? As I said, it's hard to tell from the scan but if it's on the card, I have seen cards with much less print defects get the PD qualifier. Buy the card, not the holder.
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