1878 8tf ms63 Vam ???? Ok Vam experts Look at this one
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Start on the obv....Every Letter and Star and DATE and LIBERTY is Doubled evenly Divided Ear.... Nose in place not over polished
The Rev ... Both Stars, One Dollar, United States of, All doubled
AMERICA is not Doubled (Strange)
Wreath doubled on outside, Both Sides
IN touching wing. A is away From wing
This coin is Doubled so much it should be A $2 Morgan
The Rev ... Both Stars, One Dollar, United States of, All doubled
AMERICA is not Doubled (Strange)
Wreath doubled on outside, Both Sides
IN touching wing. A is away From wing
This coin is Doubled so much it should be A $2 Morgan
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-Daniel
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I'd say it's the A1f reverse, which would make it VAM-12, 16, or 17.
If you held a gun to my head, I'd go with VAM-16 based on the doubling of LIBERTY....although 17 is also doubled there, it looks more like 16.
Rarity is listed as "Common", but "Scarce above MS-63".
For what it's worth......
This is based on the book "The 1878 Morgan Dollar 8-TF Attribution System" published a few years ago.
It can not be 16 or 17 Remember it is a Type I Obverse, not a type II
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It can not be 16 or 17 Remember it is a Type I Obverse, not a type II >>
Then for heaven's sake, take that gun away from my head!!
Don't have time to go back now....Back to work in a minute.
Sure looked like the A1f reverse to me. Both 16 and 17 are listed as II/I reverses in this reference book. Don't know if that makes a difference or not.
Added: And VAM-12 claims not to have strong doubling on LIBERTY.
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<< <i>TommyType
It can not be 16 or 17 Remember it is a Type I Obverse, not a type II >>
Then for heaven's sake, take that gun away from my head!!
Don't have time to go back now....Back to work in a minute.
Sure looked like the A1f reverse to me. Both 16 and 17 are listed as II/I reverses in this reference book. Don't know if that makes a difference or not.
Added: And VAM-12 claims not to have strong doubling on LIBERTY. >>
I don't know, I think TommyType has the correct attribution on this. I'm at work and have no references to check but it sure looked like a A1f reverse. I can't remember but with the vams 16 & 17, one of them had chips in the loop of the 8 or something like that and the other one didn't. There's probably a past message in here somewhere that has a good description of these particular vams when Rick had one he was showing.
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THe Rev is a Type A / 1 /? I of in touching wing
myCCset
Vam 17 has a II/ 1 / 5 Obverse" Unequally divided rear portion of Ear"
Opps You are right Type II Ok i am Wiping egg off my Face
The II/I Obverses also have an evenly divided ear. See the Obverse Design Types in the VAM Encyclopedia on page 99. The reimpressed die obverse II/I also explains why LIBERTY is doubled as well.
From the new 8TF Attribution Guide 3rd Edition, Your coin appears to have the A1f reverse of VAM-12, 16, or 17. As the others have said count the 12 out because the 12 has no doubling of LIBERTY.
Check the other features I pm'd you about and maybe we can narrow it down some more.
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At the present time I'm thinking VAM-16 because you mentioned that AMERICA is not doubled. VAM-17 has the whole U. S. of A. legend doubled.
There is a real outside possiblility that it could be a VAM-11, but that hasn't show up to exist yet.
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Nah, not VAM-11. All the legend would have to be doubled for that one as well.
If I only had a dollar for every VAM I have...err...nevermind...I do!!
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No i think after reading my book it is a type I doubled with a type II
My Uneducated guess is Vam 16 Triple first 4 stars
It Looks Like you Hit it Right>>>>> That was the Tell <<<<<the First 4 stars are Tripled Vam 16
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