Hey Vern...

spoon

I noticed you put a bid on this one.. a lot lower than mine, I won it
Would you be able to fill me in on any details about it? (Mintage, issuer, value, etc) Do these pop up often?

I know nothing about it numismatically, but as a thread a while back talked about collecting your ancestors' lands, well, this is mine, Veneto It's one of the few areas I splurge on so even if I überbidded, I like it

Ebay auction link

(I'm sure the pic is a bit flattering at that angle, but it does look very nice.)


Italy Medal Milan Lombardo-Venetia 1815 UNC
A very nice medal in bronze of the Vienna Congress (1814-1815) which created the Kingdom of Lombardo-Venetia, consisting of the pre-revolutionary Duchies of Milan and Mantua and the Terra Ferma with the city of Venice herself. Lombardo-Venetia was united with the Empire of Austria in Dynastic Union. Milan and Venice became capitals. This is a nice UNC, approx 30mm across, with lovely old original surfaces.

SYRACUSIAN

Spoon,



you're a mean big fat buddha.























(for outbidding Vern)

AuldFartte

Are those die cracks I see ???

I love it

elverno

Hey Buddha! You got a great one there. I'll do a write up when I get home tonight. It's listed in my Italian references and I think it's in Bramsen as well. I've got a couple of the commemorative lira on my website that were designed by Luigi Manfredini, the engraver of your medal.

I was lowballing it as usual and hoped no one would get serious about it. Seriously though, it's a beautiful medal I think and you got a great price on it. More later.

elverno

This piece is Milan 867; Bramsen 2309, d'Essling 1572 (var) and Le Medaglie Napoleoniche 50. It may have been struck in 1816 but frankly some of the stuff I read indicates that it was available shortly after the ceremony.

The last reference says:


<< <i> Unione del lombardo-Veneto all' Austria
15 Maggio 1815
Con l'annessione del Lombardo-Veneto all' Austria, regnante Francesco Primo d'Asburgo-Lorena, cessa il Regno Italico sorto nel 1805.
Gli austriaci entrano in Milano, da Porta Romana, il 28 Aprile 1814 ma la unione del Lombardo-Veneto all' Austria ha luogo il 15 Maggio 1815.
Il Metternich, l'abile Cancelliere e diplomatico austriaco, instaura l'autorità imperiale tenendola però lontana il piu possibile dall'abituale governo dispotico perché è sua intenzione concedere, sia alla Lombardia che al Veneto, una certa indipendenza.
Pure il Sovrano si mostra conciliante verso i cittadini del nuovo Stato; con una politica raffinata mantiene tranquilli i sudditi assicurandosi anche l'appoggio degli elementi che avrebbero potuto opporre valida resistenza al suo operare.
Col Lombardo-Veneto passano all'Austria il Friuli, l'Istria e la Dalmazia, già facenti parte dal 14 Ottobre 1809 delle Provincie Illiriche.
>>



Roughly "Union of Lombardy-Venice to Austria 15 May 1815
With the annexation of the Lombardy-Venice to Austria, Francis I of Asburgo-Lorena, ends the Napoleonic Kingdom begun in 1805. The Austrians enter Milan, through the Roman Door on the 28 April 1814 but the union of the Lombardy-Venice to Austria takes place 15 May 1815. Metternich, the skillful Chancellor and Austrian diplomat establishes the imperial authority holding it but as far possible accustoms them to despotic government because it is his intention to grant to the Lombardy that to the Veneto, one sure independence. (Not quite sure about that) Also the Monarch extended conciliation towards the citizens of the new State; with one political refinement he maintains calm the sudditi ones making sure also the support of the elements that could have opposed valid resistance to its to operate. Along with the Lombardy-Venice they pass to Austria the Friuli, the Istria and the Dalmatia, already making part from 14 October 1809 of the Illiriche Provinces."

Obviously my Italian is awful, assisted by world.altavista.com. Any Italian speaking forum members care to help out?

spoon

Thanks for the great write-up Vern And sorry for outbidding you I thought your low bid was it, but meant to PM you about it and never got around to it (crazy busy again!). I'll try to take more centered pics when it arrives for your website

The Italian translation seems good, though my Italian isn't very good.. when I visit my relatives there we would speak in Italian but have to switch to German to clarify misunderstandings!

The write-up you have on the silver lira 'token' is excellent. Any idea on the scarcity of this (bronze) medal?

Thanks!

elverno

Le Medaglie Napoleoniche says this is rare in both bronze and silver. The spectacular die breaks that the Auld one commented on probably indicated the dies were near the end of their useful life. That may have been quite short as I know the Milan mint had a shortage of hardened steel (or the materials to harden it) just after the wars ended. So, probably 50-100 examples in bronze and few of them in this condition.


Hey, why did I let this one go??


But I'm glad it went to a good home. I hate it when these works of art get snapped up just because the person has money and little appreciation. Nice to know that's not going to happen here...